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  11:50:29  7 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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Lost My Balance

Sold Tchenko's and Morgan's PDAs to Owl, held Splinter's hand while he died....... Gonta doesn't seem to want to know (no prompted dialog for me to tell him) and, strangely, Magpie/Flint still lingers at Yanov Station.

Magpie/Flint can't be communicated with any further (dialog all used up?)

I'm quite a way past the point where I'd have expected the achievement to manifest itself on my screen. Several saves later, still no change.

Is this achievement effectively broken in this game?

AtV
  21:00:43  7 March 2014
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Vodka_Spawn
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Lost My Balance

Sold Tchenko's and Morgan's PDAs to Owl, held Splinter's hand while he died....... Gonta doesn't seem to want to know (no prompted dialog for me to tell him) and, strangely, Magpie/Flint still lingers at Yanov Station.

Magpie/Flint can't be communicated with any further (dialog all used up?)

I'm quite a way past the point where I'd have expected the achievement to manifest itself on my screen. Several saves later, still no change.

Is this achievement effectively broken in this game?

AtV
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Hi
You have to talk to Loki/Freedom or Shulga/Duty and tell them about Flint to move this mission along.
  07:08:50  9 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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Lost My Balance

Sold Tchenko's and Morgan's PDAs to Owl, held Splinter's hand while he died....... Gonta doesn't seem to want to know (no prompted dialog for me to tell him) and, strangely, Magpie/Flint still lingers at Yanov Station.

Magpie/Flint can't be communicated with any further (dialog all used up?)

I'm quite a way past the point where I'd have expected the achievement to manifest itself on my screen. Several saves later, still no change.

Is this achievement effectively broken in this game?

AtV

Hi
You have to talk to Loki/Freedom or Shulga/Duty and tell them about Flint to move this mission along.
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I had thought of that but, since my aim is the "Man of Balance" achievement I was afraid that, having already sold the two PDAs to Owl, if I then talked to Shulga or Loki, without seeking the "Friend of Duty/Freedom" achievements, that I would have effectively cancelled out the chances of gaining any of the three achievements......

It's a puzzle.

AtV
  07:40:29  10 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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Lost My Balance

Sold Tchenko's and Morgan's PDAs to Owl, held Splinter's hand while he died....... Gonta doesn't seem to want to know (no prompted dialog for me to tell him) and, strangely, Magpie/Flint still lingers at Yanov Station.

Magpie/Flint can't be communicated with any further (dialog all used up?)

I'm quite a way past the point where I'd have expected the achievement to manifest itself on my screen. Several saves later, still no change.

Is this achievement effectively broken in this game?

AtV

Hi
You have to talk to Loki/Freedom or Shulga/Duty and tell them about Flint to move this mission along.

I had thought of that but, since my aim is the "Man of Balance" achievement I was afraid that, having already sold the two PDAs to Owl, if I then talked to Shulga or Loki, without seeking the "Friend of Duty/Freedom" achievements, that I would have effectively cancelled out the chances of gaining any of the three achievements......

It's a puzzle.

AtV
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As I suspected.... I approached Loki and Shulga. Neither showed prompts for any dialog other than one would normally expect, for what I've achieved so far in this game. Having started towards "Man of Balance", I didn't really think much would result.

I approach Flint, no conversation, I approach Gonta, nothing more than the usual "tell me about hunting mutants" variants. I'm to the part where I'm putting a group together to go to Pripyat, and I've asked Gonta. He just refers to wanting to get his hands round Magpie's neck, but still no prompts for me to tell him Flint/Magpie has been found.

I know I've done all the "Man of Balance" tasks, I'll just have to accept that, in this game anyway, it's not going to be recognized.

Going to miss the associated perks though.

AtV
  18:20:39  10 March 2014
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Man of Balance shouldn't have anything to do with it. I routinely get MoB while turning Flint into Freedom to get enough goodwill for them to accept Strider's crew.

What is supposed to happen is that Flint tells one last story, in which he inadvertently reveals that he is the stalker that bailed on Gonta and crew, and is therefore Magpie. After that story, you can turn him in to either Gonta, Freedom, or Duty.

You might have a bug, because I thought that finding Splinter was what triggered Flint to tell his incriminating story. You might try doing the other missions that he takes credit for, like finding the Oasis, and see if it bumps him along.
  22:07:38  10 March 2014
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nashathedog
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You can mess up your ability to get achievements like these if you lose too many friendly points through incidents like accidentally putting a base on alert, Maybe something similar has happened here.

You say there's no dialogue with Flint or Gonta, You have been and seen the guy led dying in the quarry correct?

EDIT

Okay I've seen that you have been to the quarry, When you got back you pulled Flint about it ?


Are you using any mods if not can I have a save and if you are what mod and can I have a save..
  04:25:42  11 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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Man of Balance shouldn't have anything to do with it. I routinely get MoB while turning Flint into Freedom to get enough goodwill for them to accept Strider's crew.

What is supposed to happen is that Flint tells one last story, in which he inadvertently reveals that he is the stalker that bailed on Gonta and crew, and is therefore Magpie. After that story, you can turn him in to either Gonta, Freedom, or Duty.

You might have a bug, because I thought that finding Splinter was what triggered Flint to tell his incriminating story. You might try doing the other missions that he takes credit for, like finding the Oasis, and see if it bumps him along.
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Hadn't thought about the Oasis job....... did he (or, will he) take credit for that? I've sped through achievements a lot, so didn't realize. I'll put that on the immediate "to do" list, then see what happens.

I'm just bummed that this doesn't seem to be working. It's the first achievement that's gone wrong for me, since I first loaded up the game, over a year ago now.

AtV
  04:37:37  11 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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You can mess up your ability to get achievements like these if you lose too many friendly points through incidents like accidentally putting a base on alert, Maybe something similar has happened here.

You say there's no dialogue with Flint or Gonta, You have been and seen the guy led dying in the quarry correct?

EDIT

Okay I've seen that you have been to the quarry, When you got back you pulled Flint about it ?


Are you using any mods if not can I have a save and if you are what mod and can I have a save..
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As my history with playing CoP has shown, I started off with a bad habit of starting pointless gunfights, mainly (note italics) with Bandits (for supplies) which, in my early playthroughs, caused a few long term problems in game. I've matured a bit since then, and am very careful about where I pull the trigger, and which direction I'm facing, when I do it. I deliberately did a "safe distance check" against some Bandits near the Skadovsk (all four were good long range kills), which provoked a lockdown, but I'd done hard saves prior, and simply went back and "didn't do it", from before the save point.

If I even suspect I'm going to cause a lockdown now, I always hard save just before, so I can undo the damage.

Yes, I saw Flint right after seeing Splinter. That was where the problem showed.

No mods whatsoever. Just the standard crow and corpse timing fixes.

AtV
  14:08:29  11 March 2014
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Darkh4
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I think seeing Splinter is supposed to immediately trigger the incriminating story, but so is doing most of the quests that he takes credit for.

Have you: 1. Delivered the maps to Pilot?
2. Destroyed the bloodsucker lair in Zaton?
3. Killed the Yanov chimera?
4. Found the Oasis?
5. Rescued the Loner hostage from the Bandits in Yanov?
6. Placed all the anomaly field scanners?
7. Killed the controller in the cave in Zaton?

If you have done all of these and he still won't talk, then you probably have a glitch. I don't think goodwill with the factions matters as far as turning him in.
  15:28:02  11 March 2014
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Avoids_the_Vodka
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I think seeing Splinter is supposed to immediately trigger the incriminating story, but so is doing most of the quests that he takes credit for.

Have you: 1. Delivered the maps to Pilot?
2. Destroyed the bloodsucker lair in Zaton?
3. Killed the Yanov chimera?
4. Found the Oasis?
5. Rescued the Loner hostage from the Bandits in Yanov?
6. Placed all the anomaly field scanners?
7. Killed the controller in the cave in Zaton?

If you have done all of these and he still won't talk, then you probably have a glitch. I don't think goodwill with the factions matters as far as turning him in.
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Done everything on the list but number 6. I'm not that far along in this game yet, but I'll keep that potential tipping point in mind.

I know the ability to complete the task is still there, I just don't know what's hanging it up.....

I may have done myself out of a chance to rectify the problem though.

Occasionally, in case I don't like the selection of goods a trader has on hand, I make a hard save before looking over his stock. Then, if I'm not happy with what's available, I go back to the hard save, and try again. The stock always changes, and sometimes I get a much more agreeable quantity of something I'm looking for.

I did this as I arrived in Yanov, before approaching Hawaiian. When I first arrived, I definitely heard Flint/Magpie talking. I thought "oh, magic, I'll deal with him after I see what Hawaiian's got". However, I didn't like the quantity of AP ammo available, so I went back to the hard save point, and started over.

Only this time, I didn't hear Flint rambling in the background...

Same dead end as before.

Instead of messing around, as soon as I heard Flint talking, I should have just gone straight to him, and carried on with turning him in. Now, he's just as mute as he's been recently, and none of the usual suspects cue me to tell them about him.

Traded a potential conclusion of this task for an extra 30 rounds of AP ammo......

I'll keep at it. At least this leads me to believe the job can still be finished.

AtV
 
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