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  08:47:25  21 August 2011
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Rolfisalinas
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I went into Afghanistan in 2002 - that was bad enough. That was bad enough, with a squad of really good, really tough Hombres to back me up. With good equipment and sattellite links for backup and on-call air support if we really needed it, it was tough but not impossible.
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This question is out of thread and i dont even know if i can be respectful by doing it but, how does a men who were in the army becomes a common gamer? Yet again, if i'm being disrespectful please forgive me but curiosity has being my greatest weakness since i was born
  09:17:22  21 August 2011
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nashathedog
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The Zone is in it's last breath in COP, it only contains 1/10th the danger of SoC or pre SOC Zone.
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From the perspective of being a player the Soc zone made more of an impression and was scarier because it was new to us but Clear skies zone had all of the dangers of Shoc's plus the the faction wars so that would have been the worst time to go. And I agree that Cop's zone does appear to have been tamed somewhat maybe making an organised thought out foray not such a definite life ending experience. Once the factions had pretty much fought each other to a uneasy truce as we see in Yanov and Strelok had dealt his blow to the C Conciousness which effectively halted the Monoliths powerbase leaving a bunch of headless chickens chasing there own butts around in circles, admittedly dangerous chickens still but no longer aimed at a particular goal. So yeah I wonder how it would of gone for the Major if he had gone into the zone around the time when the marked one was being chased by Scar.
  09:32:36  21 August 2011
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SetaKat
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So yeah I wonder how it would of gone for the Major if he had gone into the zone around the time when the marked one was being chased by Scar.
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Duty Soldier: Hey Major, come over here and help us fight against the Zone, and all the assholes in it. Free suits and decent high powered military weapons for all new recruits. We're always looking for decent commanding officers, and you seem like one. Plus, most of our guys are former soldiers themselves, so you won't feel out of place.

Freedom Member: Welcome free Stalker. You're here to understand the Zone? So are we. Have some free booze too. So, you're here looking for helicopters? There's several at Duty base. Want us to help you get over there?

Loner: Hey brother, help us out against the Bandits, or we're all dead or worse - working for them in the Garbage scrap heaps! Actually, death doesn't seem that bad now. Best go out in a blaze of glory, I guess.

Bandit: So, your an army Major? How about you take this money here and pretend we're not here, and in return, we'll get these Stalkers to pay your protection fees, and we'll leave you alone. Oh, and get your superiors to thrown in an weapons shipment, and the deal is settled.

Merc: Oh, s**t, a military Major. Do we shoot him or bug out, and wait till he's gone before exterminating Freedom, and getting in the Lab?

Renegade: Get the f**k out of our Swamps! *gunfire directed at the Major*

Clear Sky: Hey Stalker. Help us drive out these thugs, and we'll help you. Deal?

Major: Shut the f**k up, all of you! I'm here on business, not to help all of yous, and you lot yapping away is making it impossible for me to do that. So, the next person other than me who talks gets plugged!

Zombified: Meahm. Zo, ogabgofla. *Gunshots, followed by exploding zombified heads*
  00:48:07  31 August 2011
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Major Stalker
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I do not even want to think about what it would be like to try it alone, the way Major D is doing in the game - and then throw in all the other extra sheisse that the Zone has, like mutants and anomalies? You gotta be kidding me?

Even if I was in the best shape in my life, I would never try going into that place alone I'd have to be pretty damned desperate or suicidal or stupid.

But what if like the major probally was you were ordered in? Same circumstances as him but on your way to Afghanistan your boss pulled you to one side and said actually we've got something different in mind for you, Then what? Would you:
A : Salute and head on in to the zone after writing the standard military sorry I died love letter.
B : Purposely fall down the planes steps breaking as many bones as possible while expressing your disdain at having to stand aside and allow a healthy trooper to take your place, or
C : Run home crying effectively going AWOL and ending your career but at least not your life.
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I'm going to try and keep this a serious discussion. We're not talking about some FNG green as grass noob doing road patrol between Tikrit and Al Faw.
None of my crew qualified to be there until after at least their first enlistment. And we're talking about a mission to a high value target in a foreign country with no status of forces agreement. Totally Covert.
Been there
Done that.
But to do that, you get the full intelligence and support - stuff like what Major D is doing would be the PRELIMINARY OP - go in, recon the area, get out, get the info out, brief the team.
This would be a series of missions, with Ops going further and further into the Zone, until we took a team in to X-8.
My preferance would be for a six man team in Exo suits.
With the Brain Scorcher out, I could see this happening in three to six months, safely.
We might all make it back, maybe one or two losses.
But, going in by yourself?
That is pretty much suicide.
  01:21:53  31 August 2011
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Steelyglint
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I went into Afghanistan in 2002 - that was bad enough. That was bad enough, with a squad of really good, really tough Hombres to back me up. With good equipment and sattellite links for backup and on-call air support if we really needed it, it was tough but not impossible.

This question is out of thread and i dont even know if i can be respectful by doing it but, how does a men who were in the army becomes a common gamer? Yet again, if i'm being disrespectful please forgive me but curiosity has being my greatest weakness since i was born
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When you join the armed forces they don't immediately send you for a personality transplant. You're still the same person you were before you joined up. If you liked computer games before you joined up it is highly likely you'll still enjoy them after you sign on the dotted line.

Ex-military are still human, like the rest of us.

Well, most of them.

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  12:44:34  31 August 2011
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nashathedog
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But what if like the major probally was you were ordered in?

I'm going to try and keep this a serious discussion.
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Why? It was not a serious question it was meant lightheartedly.
It was not meant to cause offence.
  17:40:13  31 August 2011
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jmb
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This question is out of thread and i dont even know if i can be respectful by doing it but, how does a men who were in the army becomes a common gamer? Yet again, if i'm being disrespectful please forgive me but curiosity has being my greatest weakness since i was born


When you join the armed forces they don't immediately send you for a personality transplant. You're still the same person you were before you joined up. If you liked computer games before you joined up it is highly likely you'll still enjoy them after you sign on the dotted line.
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Agreed. Sooner or later, the war will be over and you will have to integrate back into civilian life. Frankly, I think this is more difficult than it sounds.
  20:51:28  1 September 2011
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Major Stalker
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I went into Afghanistan in 2002 - that was bad enough. That was bad enough, with a squad of really good, really tough Hombres to back me up. With good equipment and sattellite links for backup and on-call air support if we really needed it, it was tough but not impossible.

This question is out of thread and i dont even know if i can be respectful by doing it but, how does a men who were in the army becomes a common gamer? Yet again, if i'm being disrespectful please forgive me but curiosity has being my greatest weakness since i was born
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Dude, do you suppose that people in the military come from some factory just outside of Chitlin Grits, Arkansas? I mean, really?

I'm just a bit strange in that A) I'm a bit old than most military gamers - I'm 55, an B) I'm disabled and like to talk. So I talk online, because I don't have many friends to talk to IRL, and none that play STALKER.

Actually, you go to most of the bases in Iraq or Afghanistan - or any of the Stateside bases, and you will see game consoles all over the place.
If this was a HALO or SOCOM group, you'd see military guys on - well, mostly they tend to congregate to their own sites, since they often get pissed off with some of the never-beens or wannabees.

But I haven't got that option. I got involved in HALO as a programmer and consultant, but STALKER is a full up, absolute addiction for me...and this is the only place I can discuss it.

and yeah, maybe I'm acting out some of my problems through it. you think fighting one or two bloodsuckers in the dark is hairy? Try playing hide-and-seek with a couple of jihadi bastards in Fallujah at one oclock in the morning or so. There's no "go back to last saved game" in real life. No magic medikits, no firefly artifacts...I'd just love one of those exo suits instead of the back brace and the cane, you know?

So I teach JROTC all day, come home to an empty house, and most evenings, I can't stand what's on TV, so I play STALKER until it's time to sleep.

that help your understanding any? I appreciate your question, most Americans have no understanding of military people, they seem to think we're mostly faceless, souless robots, manufactured in a factory somewhere and mostly euthanized like dogs, I guess, after the wars are over.
  23:32:53  1 September 2011
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Major Stalker
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Hey, sorry, didn't mean to sound so harsh there, but I was thinking about it some more - sheesh - if there was such a thing as the Zone, and we could get our hands on stuff like Firefly and Kolobok and Flame - it'd be hard to keep soldiers OUT. Shit, if I had my legs back, even just a little bette, I'd go in, and a bunch of guys I know would go back in, just for the chance to bring out some of those Healer artifacts.

My son is totally disabled, even worse than me. For DAMN sure I'd go, for a chance for him to walk again. I'd bet there's a lot of Spetsnaz, both Russian and Uke, that would think the same as those of us on the NATO side. Lot of us know each other, and could work out something, even if our governments had their fingers where the monkey put the peanut.

So yeah...back to the original question. If the Zone was real. If I was in a little better shape, say, what I was in 2002 - with some half-decent support and equipment - say a Sunrise suit and the MICH helment with some decent upgrades, and some good guys to back me up...yeah, I'd go.
Go in a heartbeat.
With or without US government sanction...or anybody elses.
Know other guys who would, more than a few.


on your other question rolfsalinas - STALKER is the one game that really, really grabs me. can't define why. Everything else seems fake, hoky, bunchaton of crap. can't suspend my disbelief to get into it. I really couldn't tell you what it is about STALKER that grabs me, pulls me into the game.
but it does.
I'll play HALO by the hour because my grandson loves it, but it's just a game. he beats the snot out of me, mostly because I just can't get into it the way my son does. But STALKER?
I live in the zone.
Sometimes I dream of the Zone.
Is that sick?
I dunno. But I suppose it beats the dreams about Fallujah or Ramadi, you know? and sometimes the ones about Baghdad wake up the neighbors when I start calling for fire support and medics in the night.
Be glad you don't live near me.
  02:27:18  2 September 2011
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nashathedog
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@Major Stalker, Hello, I know exactly what you mean about RL and being able to get away from it. I took a brain injury in 2002 which resulted in me losing the use of my right arm and gaining some mental issues. Luckily my arm started slowly working again and after around 6 months I'm good to use the keyboard, And yes I imagine if the zone really did come into being there would be quite a rush in its direction at least up until the horror stories start filtering out along with the bodybags. I am looking forward to seeing in what way this film thats being made about it deals with such issues. Whether or not they play on the reality aspect which quite a lot of this genre of films are doing well at the moment.
 
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