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  15:40:19  5 October 2005
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Oleg [GSC]
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Poll on contest vote results

In the light of reported cheating on the literary contest voting, we’re curious to hear your frank opinion on the possible solutions. Feel free to vote and express your opinion on the following:

1) Leave the vote system as it is now, taking into account the votes of “authors” as held several months ago, to draw the final results.

2) Introduce a completely new voting system, which would be based on the opinion of a group of 50-70 carefully selected people from among the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. community, so as fans of other FPS games and professional reviewers (not involved in the contest). All of the selected reviewers will be reading through all the stories and presenting their unbiased opinion on which they consider the top ones. Winners to be chosen based on the average calculated from the pool of reviewers opinions hence.

3) Draw final results basing on the current vote, taking into account both the authors’ votes and the votes of the independent reviewing group. Although complex, such a system would give opinion of a maximal number of people, and hence be most comprehensive.

Attention! IF you have no idea on the contest, please consult this thread: https://www.gsc-game.com/main.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_page=1&thm_id=3186&sec_id=5

Newbies to the contest: please, PLEASE, it is essential that you too would vote your thoughts out on this. We need every vote we can spare on this... Just remember that both O-L and us are going to get some goodies if the combined votes from this thread and the polls from their thread pass 1000
  17:03:18  5 October 2005
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Ian_C
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Well, I've been away for a while but this seems worth resurfacing for.

2, I would say.

Option 1 doesn't do enough to avert the massive sway made by the 'cheating' mentioned, as authors can only vote once but, apparently, others have voted many, many times even if they may only be one person!

I favour 2 because the 'public' can't be monitored in a satisfactory way, hence you never know whether that system is being abused. I would also say count the votes of authors out as well as, despite our best intentions, we are biased simply by the nature of being authors in this contest - this is why I feel option 3 would be option 2 but twice diluted unecessarily.

Also, Oleg, are you now in charge of the literary contest? I wanted some parts of my story removed as they were put up by mistake but Atem didn't respond to my requests, if we could arrange to get that done by the time this re-voting starts that would be great ( to clarify everyone I'm just removing, I'm not adding anything ).
  19:50:18  5 October 2005
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Arthur Gordon Pym
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I think that if this wouldn't be a contest probably it would be better. I can't find a goal in competition while talking about writing, the goal is to have fun and recieve feedback, to participate at the stalker project to support the development, and to take attention to such an important topic as it is Chernobyl.
If you agree, then screw the whole contest system, choose 10 people within the forum to give 10 free games, and include all stories in the retail - it's not late to take such a decision.

But if it's important for users, authors, and developers to organize a competition, because most of them raises their fun with it, then i completely agree with Ian C and my vote goes for number 2.
I think that priority in this case is: a fair and professional judgement, as every contest in the world try to offer.
Two things comes with this:

1- Correcting the submitted stories.

I agree with the fact that if the contest is restarting, and the stories will be included in the retail game, it would be better to give every author the possibility to check grammar mistakes and some other errors.
As for me, english is not my mother language, and i would like to change some mistakes: the are also some italian words on a story, and i even don't know why i didn't check before sending it, hehe.

2- No authors or public among judges and reviewers.

None of the authors should be inserted in the list of judgesreviewers. I mean, i know some authors, and if i would be selected for a review, i feel pretty sure to be fair and not to vote them just by doing friendship favours.
But how would the other participants react? They don't know me, and they will be probably not sure of my "fair decisions". So, every judge can't be in the contest, and viceversa, to be sure that everyone can
participate with the same starting positions.
Also, some people here already has their favourites, and probably doesn't want to spent anymore time to check other or older stories.i think some professional or highly selected non-authors judges and reviewers should be hired for this new contest system, so they will read every story for the first time.
And no public too, as unfortunately it's impossible, even with email registration in the forum, to have a fair voting system.
  20:24:26  5 October 2005
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wondervirus
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Poll on contest vote results

Oleg: I think it's great that you guys are taking this seriously. I've already
cast my vote, but would like to add that it would be interesting to know how
the panel comes to their decisions.

Ala: story X had such great , Story Y portrayed the feeling
of the zone so well, etc, etc.
  20:47:59  5 October 2005
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Amoki
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[B]Read this Carefully:

Alright folks, listen up - GSC wants to use another set of result for the literary contest polls... and this is how he wants to set up and do it:

After some discussion, we have decided that we want about 1,000 combined votes from both O-L.com and the official board. That's right folks: 1000! Don't care whether any member here voted in both forums, but the number HAVE to add up to 1,000. It is possible - a recent poll from OL reached 1366, while I believe we might be able to squeeze 100-200 from here.

Now, of course GSC has some sort of reward ready for ya-all. It's in some sort of... eye-candy and some sort of sweet news, as Oleg says. I don't know the validity of this claim, he also says it'll be ready days after the poll is out.
  22:39:15  5 October 2005
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wondervirus
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some sort of... eye-candy
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You mean they hired Peter Sjoberg to illustrate one of the stories?
  06:26:07  6 October 2005
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kano
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I belive if there is Anything to do with cheating they should scrap the results now and completly redo the system..it my be a pain in the ass for us but I belive it would be the fairest thing to do for all the authors who worked really hard to create thier storys. ( why try to salvage cheated votes) I vote for number 2.
  11:47:57  6 October 2005
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Siro
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I've cast my vote and now am hoping that the future goes the way we want it to go.
  15:21:11  6 October 2005
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Fux0r666
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Looks like the opinion so far is nearly unanimous.
  21:12:36  6 October 2005
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I vote for number 2.
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  10:29:29  7 October 2005
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Amoki
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Those who vote for no.1 -is it possible to say why?
  04:15:22  8 October 2005
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kano
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Amoki why am I not in your sig man?

I'm feelin a lack of love
  06:24:15  8 October 2005
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Siege
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Amoki why am I not in your sig man?

I'm feelin a lack of love
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Yeah, I need some lovin' too.
  02:05:12  10 October 2005
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Chode
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I don't need no love

It's good to see developments. Both in STALKER, AND in the Literary Contest.

(No 2)
  12:12:57  10 October 2005
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Amoki
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Kano and Siege, why the hell would you want to be in my sign?! Those people in my sign are crazy folks whom you should steer clear. Notice that everyone in there has something negative related to them? Procrastinator, Spammer, Flammer, Dictator, Hustler...
  17:17:27  10 October 2005
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neo_doggydog
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Kano and Siege, why the hell would you want to be in my sign?! Those people in my sign are crazy folks whom you should steer clear. Notice that everyone in there has something negative related to them? Procrastinator, Spammer, Flammer, Dictator, Hustler...
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It only needs one more person in there.
  01:26:26  11 October 2005
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FFxSTALKERx
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i got a question,

the offical poll on www.stalker-game.com is already past 1000,

so the one here and on O-L is a back up? And the numbers from the one on the offical site are not added to those?
  03:17:15  11 October 2005
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Don Reba
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Something tells me those votes are not trustworthy. I am reasonably certain Oblivion-Lost has more visitors than stalker-game. And even if I am wrong, the difference is certainly not by an order of magnitude. Remember, this whole thing started because of cheating at the official site.
  10:47:29  11 October 2005
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Amoki
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i got a question,

the offical poll on www.stalker-game.com is already past 1000,

so the one here and on O-L is a back up? And the numbers from the one on the offical site are not added to those?
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If you do any Statistics (not meant to be offensive, just take me literally will you ), you'll know that it's important to have more than 1 source of data... that's why I decided that having a back-up result is important, and Oleg Yavorsky agreed.

The official site also has a few variables that are different than the polls in here and O-L.com. Example? 1) Accountability 2) Bias control (people from the of.site might think that polling on the of.site might be better etc...) 3) voters' understanding of the situation. Also, the polls in O-L.com and the official board have a slight advantage in the sense that people who vote can "communicate" and give valuable comments.
  19:21:40  12 October 2005
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Lijenstina
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I saw that until now were 34 votes on this thread . That's far away of 1000. Is that counter true or it's broken?
  20:19:36  12 October 2005
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Eesu
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I think, we would get more votes here and on O-L, if everyone knew there was some incentive to vote. But as far as I can tell, the only place that mentions eye-candy is here in the forums. It doesnt seem instantly obvious that there will be a poll in the forums as wella s the main site, whats the reasoning behind that? Most ppl who vote on the main site will probably completely pass up the link to this thread.
  20:34:17  12 October 2005
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Amoki
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I think, we would get more votes here and on O-L, if everyone knew there was some incentive to vote. But as far as I can tell, the only place that mentions eye-candy is here in the forums. It doesnt seem instantly obvious that there will be a poll in the forums as wella s the main site, whats the reasoning behind that? Most ppl who vote on the main site will probably completely pass up the link to this thread.
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I've actually made a presence in O-L.com at well, and if people look into the comment thread for the poll the mentioning of "eye-candy" is in there as well.

Hope that clears thing up.
  02:22:47  13 October 2005
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FFxSTALKERx
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I am the moderator for the STALKER portion of the FileFront Forums (http://forums.filefront.com) and i have made an announcement about this thread and poll, as well as the one on O-L.com . Also, I am friends with the site manager for www.stalkerfiles.com , and I will talk to him about making an announcement on that site aswell.
  10:05:16  13 October 2005
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Amoki
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THat's absolutely fantastic!

Tell you what, if the folks from stalkerfiles.com can come out with a poll that is reliable, if stalkerfiles.com can reach up to 1000 votes (independant of any combination from the official board AND o-l.com, but maybe combining with the results from the forum that you moderate, heh)in total and also include a comment section that can offer GSC some sort of insight on the 3 system offered in the contest AND if they can come out with a contact in Kiev, I can include you in the "eye-candy" offer. That's right, you have your own exclusive contact for the "thing". I'm trying pretty hard to keep it under-wraps you see, so don't ask what it really is But I can assure you, it's going to be worth it. What GSC is REALLY offering is still unknown, because Oleg Yavorsky is the one who is going to arrange the details.

The contact must be someone who is free between 7-11-2005 and 21-11-2005, maybe in the afternoon-to-evening period. I haven't really sort out the details yet because a big part of it has to do with Oleg Yavorsky. So it might be wise if you can start recruiting your contact now

The results from your poll will be analyzed around 5/11/2005, so you might want to crank your effort up if Oleg Y approves. 1000 votes in 3 weeks time... that's about getting 50 votes a day then Remember it's combination of 2 souces.

Don't have to worry about the offer is legitimate or not, because I have been given authorization by Oleg Yavorsky (who was put in charge of the contest about 3 months ago) to conduct back-up polls just in case the results in the official site is screwed. Obviously the more people this poll can reach, the better

Check back tomorrow for answer, 'cause I need to check with him, okay?
  13:35:28  13 October 2005
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Siro
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Kano and Siege, why the hell would you want to be in my sign?! Those people in my sign are crazy folks whom you should steer clear. Notice that everyone in there has something negative related to them? Procrastinator, Spammer, Flammer, Dictator, Hustler...
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Psychotic gun-toting Russkie...

Anyway, Amoki, I have no e-mail at the moment, so contact me at the hotmail address. If things go well, then I feel that the world will finally stop its mad spin towards the sun. Also, sorry if I am un-informed, but is it possible to add any new stories into the Literay contest?
  20:04:54  13 October 2005
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Eesu
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I've actually made a presence in O-L.com at well, and if people look into the comment thread for the poll the mentioning of "eye-candy" is in there as well.

Hope that clears thing up.
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It will help, but again, stalker-game.com doesnt mention anything about it, which I think is putting a major hurt on the number of ppl visiting the thread and voting. And its not jsut the lack of mention about the eye candy, but its the fact that they relate this thread as a discussion about the vote, and not that it has a seperate poll. I mean theres probably nothing anyone here can do about it, but it is affecting traffic here. (not to mention the link to this thread is a single word barely noticable).
  20:25:16  13 October 2005
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Amoki
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I am the moderator for the STALKER portion of the FileFront Forums (http://forums.filefront.com) and i have made an announcement about this thread and poll, as well as the one on O-L.com . Also, I am friends with the site manager for www.stalkerfiles.com , and I will talk to him about making an announcement on that site aswell.
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Oleg Yavorsky gives green light. You're clear to organize your own polls which WILL be recognized by GSC. If you can come out with a rep on your end who lives in Kiev and available during the time that I have stated previously, your rep will be part of the "big solution" .
  16:09:15  14 October 2005
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FFxSTALKERx
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Ok, i will set up a poll in the forums, and talk to the site manager at stalkerfiles.

I can think of no one from our stalker community, that lives in Kiev, but i will keep looking
 
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