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  14:19:18  27 September 2021
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Vikingstalker
The Zones Blacksmith
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On forum: 11/26/2009
 

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*having patrolled the area thoroughly, having had a few engagements with some Monolith stragglers, Viking and his merc companion now return to the sports centre. Viking checks up with PCD while the merc reports to his leader*

Seems we got all of'em. How's it looking here?

*PCD fills him in as the both a get the message from Mr.M*

Hm, burying will take some time, why not rather use the burner anomalies we have plentiful around here. Though I'd say we leave that decision to the mercs, it's their territory after all.

*writes message back to Mr.M*

Will take some time still, when we're done here I have to make a trip to the Warehouses and retrieve some stuff from the armory before heading home.

*begins to help with the wounded*

Still wondering what caused the monos to make such a bold push south...

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Well, it's pretty much canon that the PDA's used are not some run of the mill, but specially made and issued for the Zones specific challenges regarding communication etc. Using a smartphone inside the Zone wouldn't do you much good as there's no signals getting in from the outside world anyway. Of course a phone could be set up to act like the pdas, but that wouldn't be as iconic now would it
  16:06:27  27 September 2021
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PCDania
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When we are finished here Viking I'll make you company to the Warehouses, need to visit their armory too.

*Continues helping the wounded*
  23:35:39  3 October 2021
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Vikingstalker
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*with all the helping hands, the medics are able to patch up the wounded quickly and soon everyone is cared for. With the work done, anybody not on guard duty heads off to get some well deserved rest*

*wiping his hands clean Viking nods to PCD*

Well, that was that, I'd say lets grab a quick refreshment and then head out, or what do you think?
  23:47:13  3 October 2021
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PCDania
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Sounds like a good idea, maybe also a quick washdown so the stench of blood doesn't give us away when we head off to the warehouses.
  23:55:01  4 October 2021
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Molecule
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*replies to Vikingstalker*

Okay man, will see you both back in the bar when you're done. Beer is cold and waiting for you.

Molecule out.

Oh boy, a global blackout. Temporary malfunctioning of FB, Insta, Whatsapp.. it's then you realize what you are missing when you really miss it.

No one bothered to use the good ol' short message service (SMS) ?
  15:41:02  5 October 2021
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PCDania
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I couldn't care less as I don't use any of them SMS or email is plenty good for me.
  17:37:13  6 October 2021
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Vikingstalker
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Sounds like a plan.

*after having cleaned themselves and a short meal, PCD and Viking grab their gear and get on the Way towards the Army Warehouses*



Didn't bother us either, if it's really important I'll make a call
  21:11:33  6 October 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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The Zoners and Loners Bar

PCDania

If you don't mind, can I ask you some questions about your PC set-up?

10 to 15 years ago, Sound cards were very important to get premium audio.

However, most of that has changed as Motherboards incorporated high end audio directly on them. Most of the major Sound Card manufacturers fell in the wayside and very few remain, with Creative being one of the first and few still around. I used to buy Turtle Beach Sound Cards build after build back in the day.

My problem is Speakers aren't the same anymore either. They're not as complicated as they used to be and few people I know actually have 5.1 or 7.1 set-ups, involving 4 speakers or more with a center channel or subwoofer. The most common seems to be a 2.1 set-up that involves a single wire.

I see your Motherboard has this audio listed:

- 7.1 CH HD Audio with Content Protection (Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec)
- Premium Blu-ray Audio support
- Supports Surge Protection
- Supports Purity Sound™ 4
- Nichicon Fine Gold Series Audio Caps
- 120dB SNR DAC with Differential Amplifier
- NE5532 Premium Headset Amplifier for Front Panel Audio Connector (Supports up to 600 Ohm headsets)
- Pure Power-In
- Direct Drive Technology
- PCB isolate shielding
- Impedance Sensing on Rear Out port
- Individual PCB Layers for R/L Audio Channel
- RGB LED
- 15μ Gold Audio Connector
- Supports DTS Connect

Was this inadequate? Did you try this for any time or did you just buy a new Sound card as habit? Did you notice a big difference when you added your Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus 32-bit 384 KHz PCI-e Interface Sound Card ( black ) or did you get the Creative Sound BlasterX AE-5 Plus Pure Edition SABRE32 Ultra-Class 32-bit/384kHz PCI-e Gaming Sound Card and DAC with Dolby Digital and DTS, Xamp Discrete Headphone Bi-amp ( white ) ?

What Speakers do you have, and are you using all three outputs? ( 1 x 1/8" Front Out, 1 x 1/8" Rear Out, 1 x 1/8" Center / Sub Out ) and if not, if you have a 2.1 set-up, is it just the front output?

Many years ago I had a 5.1 set-up with 4 speakers, a subwoofer and a center speaker ( Monsoon ) but I just don't really have the room for that type of set-up to spread extra speakers around the room. I am currently using 400 watt "Logitech Z625 POWERFUL THX SPEAKERS" that I got back in 2018, that is just two speakers and a very large subwoofer.

Whenever I look at Sound cards, they are all the same with multiple outlets which to me means you may need a dedicated Sound card if you actually have a 5.1 set-up to run something like this:
https://www.newegg.com/logitech-z906-others/p/19S-001J-003C3

My new Motherboard's audio lists this as it's specs:

SupremeFX ALC4080 CODEC
Impedance sense
High quality output and input
SupremeFX shielding
Savitech SV3H712 Amplifier
Sonic Studio III + Sonic Studio Virtual Mixer
Sonic Radar III
DTS® Sound Unbound
Two-Way AI Noise Cancelation

but I also see it has the same 3 outputs ( line out, rear and c/sub ) like most of the Creative line.

I also read about external Sound Cards with DAC and other features, but they seem to be mainly designed for providing Amplifiers for Headphones. I don't really use Headphones as I don't have to worry about disturbing anyone at home.

I'm sorry to ask so many questions of you, but reading online results of Sound Card reviews and what people do rarely talks about what Speakers they have, how they hooked things up and if they noticed a huge difference in going to a Sound Card compared to the Motherboard's capabilities.

Any input you could provide would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

TS
  00:39:36  7 October 2021
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PCDania
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A big part of me buying a new sound card instead of using the onboard one is habit, actually I have not even looked at the data for the onboard sound. The sound card I bought was the cheapest AE-5 available as I don't need all the other stuff. It supports 32-bit sound but I didn't select it because of that because you will need some really expensive equipment and good hearing for being able to maybe hear the difference to 24-bit sound which is what I have it set to use.

The only reason I prefer having a discrete sound card is there is way less risk of getting sound related problems like sound out of sync or noise. Another reason is a discrete sound card handles the sound in- and output in hardware, not software like most onboard sound does which means it's the CPU taking care of most of the sound processing. I know there have been made (still being made?) mainboards having onboard sound comparable to discrete sound cards but they were very expensive and had a lot of features that I have no need for.

After installing my new sound card I could hear a clear difference compared to my old one which was a about 10 year old Sound Blaster Recon 3D PCI-e, as far as I remember being the first PCI-e sound card by Creative.

Btw, my speakers are the Edifier S760D which are really good 5.1 all-round speakers and I use all three outputs on the sound card. Before that I had the Logitech Z5400 (from around 2004 or so) which are good for movies (they are now connected to my TV) and games but not so good for music as they don't have middle range units in the speakers.

Just so no-one starts to think I like to brag. If things went my way I would be building and repairing computes all day. Unfortunately because of my bad health that is not possible, so my computer is my hobby on which I admit I use way too much money, buy hey, it's a hobby and no-one else is missing out on something because of it (no wife or kids).
  02:05:19  9 October 2021
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Tejas Stalker
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The Zoners and Loners Bar

PCDania

Thanks for the feedback. I can see force of habit being a big influence, especially if you are like me and have built many systems over the years. It used to be a necessity if you wanted a bare minimum of decent sound, in addition to the only way you could hook up a joystick, gamepad or steering wheel before USB becoming common place. ISA & PCI Sound Cards at one time were the only way you would connect those to the Game Port ( DA-15 ) on them, all the way through the late 1980's and 1990's and a bit beyond.


---QUOTATION---

However, the game port was given a major boost in usage in 1989, with the introduction of the first Sound Blaster. As sound cards were primarily used with computer games, Creative Labs took the opportunity to include a game port on the card, producing an all-in-one gaming solution.

---END QUOTATION---


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_port

However after doing some more recent research, it seems like the biggest reason they exist today has to do with people seeking amplification, fine tuning and higher fidelity for their headphones. I looked at both internal and external, there being advantages for both types. The Sound Blaster AE-5 Plus is very popular, including the Sound Blaster AE-7 and AE-9, that add an external module to the PCI-e card. The AE-9 has RCA jacks which is good for external Hi-Fidelity Components.

Sound Blaster AE-7
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-ae-7

Sound Blaster AE-9
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-ae-9

I looked at the other models too like the Sound BlasterX G5, G6 and the new GC7, in addition to the Sound Blaster X3, X4 and X7. The speakers you have are very nice and expensive. I'm surprised you did not get the Sound Blaster X7 to hook them up to.
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x7

I also looked at a lot of the Asus Sound Cards, the EVGA models and a few more obscure brands. I'm just undecided if I need one since I don't spend time playing Games wearing Headphones. I know it's suppose to improve the audio, having a dedicated board and not built into the Motherboard. Most articles say modern medium to high-end Motherboards have more than adequate Sound systems and CPUs aren't as weak and taxed like they used to be 10 to 20 years ago, being another reason to use a Sound Card in the past.

I enjoy Computers, Computer parts, putting things together and getting the most out of whatever you buy. I've noticed a trend in new Motherboards where they have less PCI-e slots ( my new one only has 3, two for video cards and one PCI-e x 1 ) for any additional components. It appears in just the past few years, Motherboards have shedded PCI-e slots so they can use the space for M2 NVMe SSD cards instead. This makes a USB-C powered external Sound Card more attractive like some of these models:

Sound BlasterX G6
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blasterx-g6

Sound Blaster X4:
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-x4

Sound Blaster GC7:
https://us.creative.com/p/sound-blaster/sound-blaster-gc7

Each of these do different things, depending on what features you are looking for.

Anyway, thanks again for your input and I'm just going to keep reading reviews and consumer feedback and complaints to help me decide what I am going to do, if anything.

TS
 
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