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Question Do YOU want an unofficial patch?
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Yes, I'm desperate!
Yeh, why not...
I don't care either way.
Could easily do without it...
Decane, stop spamming the forums with your dumb ideas! NO!
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  04:57:05  13 November 2007
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rockingmtranch
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On forum: 05/23/2007
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The only reason I still play Stalker (and haven't played anything else since it came out) is these mods. If THQ or whoever it is are so hell bent on screwing the modding community by not working together and be so blatant as to change the files so you can't read or modify them, I'm just beside myself with disgust. C'mon!!!!! What the hell???? It makes no sense to me!
Mac at rockingmtranch at hotmail dot com....email me all you wish.
I'm not a modder....I'm a player of the mods and I have over 80 gigs of other games I could be playing (Serious Sam being my first) and I'm 47 years old.
  04:33:49  13 November 2007
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Don Reba
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If someone posts a summary of consequential changes in the patch, I can make it a sticky. I read on the Russian forum that only dialog_manager.script has changed - the rest is multiplayer.
  04:29:43  13 November 2007
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Victim
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Patch 1.0005 is out... can't find much documentation on it.
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33MB.

I kept v1.0004 separate so it'll be interesting to see just how much of the 'new' patch data is identical in v1.0005.

My initial guess shall be: more than half.
  01:16:27  13 November 2007
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fatrap
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On forum: 08/01/2007
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Oh Boy! Here we go again....

Patch 1.0005 is out. There is no way I am re-writing all my mods again! I hope it doesn't require it.... can't find much documentation on it.

http://stalker.filefront.com/news/STALKER_Version_10005_Patches_Released;36048
  00:00:40  13 November 2007
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fatrap
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On forum: 08/01/2007
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NatVac, I can really envision the config utility you made as a "mini" SDK for most folks. The most requested mods are trader mods, weight caps, weapons damage, carry mods, and endurance mods. The possibilities are only limited by your imagination... (and a lot of hard work setting it up!) I wouldn't be surprised to see it incorporated into a lot of mods!
  23:48:10  12 November 2007
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NatVac
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omero, maybe we can get a consensus on some changes like the spawn points, so that the changes can be the default...

fatrap -- there's an option coming (among others) to permit the easier toggling of lines via checkbox selections. If checked, the Checked line replaces the Unchecked line, and vice versa if unchecked.

This would allow the inclusion of large sections of code options that are switchable by the state of a flag variable (e.g., AllowDebug = true/false). This is currently doable via the Field type, but it will be more convenient to simply check or uncheck a checkbox.

Folks, if you are using this configuration tool, be aware of how it currently works: The Revert button copies the original file back. So if you are making actor.ltx changes (e.g., the jump speed), and decide to revert, you'll undo any carry weight or other actor.ltx changes that you made previously.

The workaround for that: Click the Default button for the attribute you want restored to original settings, then click Apply.
  19:40:45  12 November 2007
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fatrap
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On forum: 08/01/2007
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NatVac... I just downloaded the new version of ZRP and I love the configuration tool! If this tool is as powerful (and expandable) as I think it is, it could be a great asset to the folks that want to make their own mods! Remember the old Microsoft ad campaign... "Where Do you Want to Go Today?"
I can see it now.... "What do you want to mod today?" !!!!!
Hmmm... gotta go tear this thing apart and figure out how it works!
  00:30:00  12 November 2007
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omero
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On forum: 10/21/2007
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I also find it extremely unrealistic that the Marked One would suddenly find himself smack in the middle of the bad stuff. I'm experimenting with moving spawn points, but the vocal opposition to gameplay changes means that it might not be in the ZRP except as an option.

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Actually you got a supporter here, NatVac. I was thinking that when I feel more confortable with all.spawn tampering, I'd relocate that level changer closer to the gate. Although even on the hardest setting, once you know what's awaiting you, it's not that difficult to overcome the monolith troopers, it's rather unrealistic to spawn in the middle of their number. I'm considering this a bug

On the quest subject: how about re-enabling the one for obtaining a passage at the Duty checkpoint in Garbage (before/without having been to agroprom)? It's about some boars' lair, I got the hint by just browsing the garbage dialogs/tasks... Dialogs I can manage, I think I got a grasp on how they work and looks like only a couple of <next></next> are enough to fix the sequence (and might also require money transfers), but if this involves all.spawn changes to activate the gar_smart_boars gulag... BRRRR! No idea, I admit.

BTW, Decane: that other thread is very interesting. Why have I missed it? What sparkled my modding interest was... more! more! more... quests

Cheers!
  20:15:38  11 November 2007
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NatVac
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Decane, I'd have to take a look at the file set to see what's what, but you can consider the *_tasks.script files to be a minor improvement. Of course, the fixes bardak has in the bfa are a good start. The all.spawn file changes are generic.

There are a few minor enhancements all over the place. Read the comments I've added to scripts\treasure_manager.script for an example. But folks complained about changing weapons on default characters, so I made the character_desc_*.xml files optional, so that's one optimization not being used by many...

You might also want to look at the configuration tool in the latest release of the ZRP, which is much more vanilla as I mentioned. I was envisioning a configuration file that would allow one to specify which quests were enabled and which disabled, and what their conditions were. There could also be choices as to which form of notification and acceptance/rejection was desired; barin's dialog is cool.

This configuration approach would permit incorporating enhancements like your task manager stuff in the ZRP as an alternative to the vanilla stuff. So, yes, I'm interested. (I agree with what you and others said: "...only the fixes should be default." That's the goal.)

I am currently having an issue with Javascript on some web sites, and MediaFire is one of them. Fatrap knows all about this; I've been relying on his stuff via FileFront, which does not give my proxy fits.

RapidShare used to work, but now they're using timers, so I'll have to make a timer exception change in order to get files from that source.

To answer your other question: in some cases, the names are not case sensitive, but in tasks and secrets, init_condition is extremely case sensitive. You'll need to keep level names all lower-case.

russao, I posted a comment in your thread. Thanks for letting me know about a possible problem. Fortunately the ZRP does not have its own bar_dialogs.script file, relying on the one already in patch 1.0004 -- which does have that function.

I suspect that any problem you are having with the death_manager.script file from bardak's bfa might be related to a possible database file extraction order problem, since there are only two weapon-condition lines in the bfa's death_manager.script file that are different from what's in patch 1.0004's death_manager.script.

That's also a likely contributor to receiving the same secrets over and over, since that was supposed to be fixed in vanilla 1.0004.

The secret-related files in the bfa files are bind_stalker.script, se_stalker.script, treasure_manager.script and xr_motivator.script. You might look at the diff file for that archive to see what's different.
  17:37:32  11 November 2007
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russao
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On forum: 06/18/2007
 

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I also found a problem related to bar_dialogs.script if you include this file in your mod, it will simple not work and will return several CTDs.

this file is missing one function "dont_have_rg6".

i had it in abc inferno, because extracted that file from the patched version and the extracted version for some reason doesnt match with the patched version.

so when i added the repair code to that file it crash when you talk to duty leader and whenver the game call that function.

so i replaced that file ith the old bar_dialogs.script (1.0003) and it worked fine, the only thing i could notice was the missing function "dont_have_rg6".

death_manager.script from bugfix1.0004 also make the game crash more often, so i didnt include that file.

and i still get stash info from the same npcs.
 
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