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  05:15:12  15 November 2006
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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The long barreled Desert Eagle is a cliche at best. It is unweildy, heavy, hard to aim, and crappy on recoil. Hell I can barly get my hand around the grip. Not a practical weapon at all. It is only envied by those taht have never had the unpleseantness of actually shooting the thing. Given I LOVE isreali weaponry, but that one STINKS. (Hence why it never saw service)

The M82A1 no longer exists in the military. It is now known as the M107. Its retail price approaches 15,000$ American. It weighs 35 pounds unloaded (44 lbs loaded) It is roughly 5 feet 8 inches long (only 4 inches shorter than I am). Not practical to drag through a highly hostile environment littered with hazards.

AK-74 is already in the game. Though the AK-47 is more common. Its effective range is more like 150 meters not 300.

The P90 is a very effective weapon however it has its drawbacks. No bolt hold-open increases relaod time. Odd ergonomics of the top-loading magazine and weapon in general increase learning curve and slow down operation. Not to mention they are hard to get ahold of and the proprietary ammo and mags would be expensive as hell in a black market situation.
  10:45:37  15 November 2006
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Morotstomten
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Morotstomten
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The long barreled Desert Eagle is a cliche at best. It is unweildy, heavy, hard to aim, and crappy on recoil. Hell I can barly get my hand around the grip. Not a practical weapon at all. It is only envied by those taht have never had the unpleseantness of actually shooting the thing. Given I LOVE isreali weaponry, but that one STINKS. (Hence why it never saw service)

The M82A1 no longer exists in the military. It is now known as the M107. Its retail price approaches 15,000$ American. It weighs 35 pounds unloaded (44 lbs loaded) It is roughly 5 feet 8 inches long (only 4 inches shorter than I am). Not practical to drag through a highly hostile environment littered with hazards.

AK-74 is already in the game. Though the AK-47 is more common. Its effective range is more like 150 meters not 300.

The P90 is a very effective weapon however it has its drawbacks. No bolt hold-open increases relaod time. Odd ergonomics of the top-loading magazine and weapon in general increase learning curve and slow down operation. Not to mention they are hard to get ahold of and the proprietary ammo and mags would be expensive as hell in a black market situation.
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while i havent done more than holding a desert eagle replica(wich wasnt such a big deal since my hands are of normal size and finger length) i have fired a fair deal of powerful revolvers like .357 colt python, .44 colt anaconda, s&w model 29 .44(dirty harry gun i think) and a ruger blackhawk 454 conversion(the guy that had it(and the others) is a die hard Harley Davidson and the Marlboro man fan so he just had to get one and he didnt get it for pocket change) wich had a fair ammount of recoil in my opinion.

the m82a1 is the original big bulky unpolished one the army addopted then made a request for a bolt action version(wanted to eliminate any jam possibility maybe?) so barret came up with the m95(there was a m8a2 before but it was discontinued for some reason or another) and then the army decided they didnt need a bolt action rifle after all. but the army had already recieved a budget for xm107 rifles(m107 would have been the designation for the m95) so they redesignated the m82 to m107 to avoid going through alot of crap to obtain more of them.
while its big and not suited for sprinting around urban areas it only weighs 13-14kg wich is not THAT much. the price tag however i agree makes it a bit of a luxury in the shithole youre gonna use it in(i did not mean the real world ukraine when i said that)

i do agree that the p90 would be a bitch to get ahold off and the same with the ammo but reloading it is a piece of cake(pain in the ass to refill the magazine by hand though, too many bullets) even if youre unexperienced.

edit: and the effective lethal range of the ak-47 is 300 meters even if luck decides wether you hit or miss at that range. besides... this takes place in the wrong part of the world to not have a ak-47 in my opinion.
  12:44:45  15 November 2006
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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while i havent done more than holding a desert eagle replica(wich wasnt such a big deal since my hands are of normal size and finger length) i have fired a fair deal of powerful revolvers like .357 colt python, .44 colt anaconda, s&w model 29 .44(dirty harry gun i think) and a ruger blackhawk 454 conversion(the guy that had it(and the others) is a die hard Harley Davidson and the Marlboro man fan so he just had to get one and he didnt get it for pocket change) wich had a fair ammount of recoil in my opinion.
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The recoil spring on the Desert Eagle Long barrel is so stiff that it barrly deadenes the blow of a 44 mag. combine that with the piss poor ergonomics and isnt a good weapon at all. (I like 454 cassul, Im planing on getting a marlin 1985 in it)


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the m82a1 is the original big bulky unpolished one the army addopted then made a request for a bolt action version(wanted to eliminate any jam possibility maybe?) so barret came up with the m95(there was a m8a2 before but it was discontinued for some reason or another) and then the army decided they didnt need a bolt action rifle after all. but the army had already recieved a budget for xm107 rifles(m107 would have been the designation for the m95) so they redesignated the m82 to m107 to avoid going through alot of crap to obtain more of them.
while its big and not suited for sprinting around urban areas it only weighs 13-14kg wich is not THAT much. the price tag however i agree makes it a bit of a luxury in the shithole youre gonna use it in(i did not mean the real world ukraine when i said that)
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I know hte history of the designation, I was pointing out that te M82 doesent exist for all intent and purposes. Though remember that the M95 was never intended to be named the M107. The XM107 project was to assertain the new gen of .50 cal rifle, they just stuck with the old one.

i just looked it up on barretts site and it weighs 34 lbs or 13kg. (again remember that is unloaded. .50 cal rounds arnt light) I just weighed a .50 cal round (yes I have a small stock pile) and it came out to 15.6 ounces which is just under a pound. So the weapon and 10 rounds brings the loadout to 42 pounds (19kg). That is A LOT of weight to be hauling around, not to mention the fact you ust cant stow it because its so big.


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i do agree that the p90 would be a bitch to get ahold off and the same with the ammo but reloading it is a piece of cake(pain in the ass to refill the magazine by hand though, too many bullets) even if youre unexperienced.
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Again having used the PS90 its a pain to get use to changing mags in the P90. It is completly diffrent than any other weapon system. It is slower because you ahve to actually extract the spent magazine before you can insert a fresh mag. On most rifles you just let the mag fall to the ground. The Magazine spring is realativly weak so its not to mab loading new mags, and loading 50 rounds instead of 30 isnt that bad.


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edit: and the effective lethal range of the ak-47 is 300 meters even if luck decides wether you hit or miss at that range. besides... this takes place in the wrong part of the world to not have a ak-47 in my opinion.
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I agree that the AK-47 is more prevailent and its definatly the right area for one. But atleast the AK family is represented.

P.S. Hitting anything man sized beyond 200 yards I consider an act of god for the AK-47.
  21:20:12  23 January 2007
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DraKon2k
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On forum: 01/23/2007
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An94 is a must have imo.
  19:21:52  14 March 2007
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isaac newbie
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FN-Fal and G3 are definitly a must !
uzi would also be very apreciated as its a reasonably available weapon.
Vepr (ukranian assualt rifle)
colt M4
Ruger Mini-14/GB-F (such a nice looking weapon)
A-91 assault rifle (Russia)
APS 95 (Croatia)
Simonov SKS carbine (USSR - Russia)
Mosin-Nagant
Agram 2000 (Croatia) (used mostly by criminals so definitly a black market weapon)
Scorpion SA Vz 61
PP-19 Bizon
PP-2000 submachine gun (nice little weapon perfect for those that want something better then a handgun but not much bigger)
MGV-176 (a submachinegun that has 161 bullets and an impressive rate of fire this will leave your opponents running for cover ! made by the former yugoslavia)
  19:37:50  14 March 2007
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[dandan]
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You'd better get modding, mate!
  21:08:24  14 March 2007
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Resident Nobody
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MGV-176 is a .22, has no penetration, mags are bulky, and not exactly reliable. To sustain a high rate of fire the recoil spring has to be very stiff and the gas return system has to be that much more efficient to actually be able to move the bolt. So a stiff recoil spring and a low recoil and low pressure round does not bod well for reliability.

There is no point to have a ruger mini-14. Its an AR-15 (M16 family) with a wood stock.

Scorpion is highly inaccurate and pretty crappy construction.

FN-FAL is a good weapon and would recommend it being in the game.

UZI is a good reliable weapon that is highly prevalent in the world.

A-91 is a crappy prototype from the mid 90's that was scrapped.

APS 95 is a rip off of the galil

PP-19 is a 9mm AK with a nifty (and complicated and non-rugged) magazine.

SKS I agree though Russia hasent made any in 70 years
  21:09:17  14 March 2007
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isaac newbie
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You'd better get modding, mate!
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you may want to read my "regarding patching" thread for my preffered method of getting what i want.

i dont think that adding a weapon or 2 every patch is too much work once they get used to it.
codemasters could do it and even added a lot more stuff every patch.
plus it would be a seriously awesome way to please the community and stretch the lifespan of this game for both single player and multiplayer.
and all it would require is 1 additional guy on the patch team to churn out more and more weapons for us.

MGV-176 is a .22

true but i like it because of the amount of bullets it can fire to the enemy.

A-91 - yeah your right

APS 95 is a rip off of the galil
so what ?

PP-19
yeah but its definitly a nice weapon to see.

SKS
the sovjets shifted production to china in 1955 but to my knowledge its still being produced.
its so wide spread that it just has to be in stalker
  22:45:51  14 March 2007
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Resident Nobody
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On forum: 07/23/2003
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MGV-176 is a .22

true but i like it because of the amount of bullets it can fire to the enemy.
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Dont mean anything if it jams frequently and can place shots that matter. A .22 can be stopped by heavy clothing and the effect would be unnoticeable on armour.


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APS 95 is a rip off of the galil
so what ?
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So why not put the real thing in instead of a cheap crappy knock off


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PP-19
yeah but its definitly a nice weapon to see.

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It would make more sense to place other pistol caliber SMG's that are more prevalent.


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SKS
the sovjets shifted production to china in 1955 but to my knowledge its still being produced.
its so wide spread that it just has to be in stalker
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yup, I own a norinco SKS. decently accurate but stripper clips are highly annoying.
  23:04:25  14 March 2007
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[dandan]
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On forum: 04/30/2005
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I like the idea of Bizon PP-19s being carried by Spetznas operators and the like. It's not entirely uncommon and possibly in 2010 it would be more wide spread and the problems with it would be ironed out... who knows.
I am surprised that there isn't a PKM in the game, it might be heavy and unwieldy but they're a pretty common support weapon for the hard up.
 
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