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  14:05:54  5 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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I like you, Jinx Dragon. You're not afraid to call me on it when I'm speaking conceptually (read: out of my ass).
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Hell we all do it.

Actualy just looked over the vidio of the test firing of 36 barrels firing 1 million RPM and the impact. Nice, through shear amount of bullets, bit not that bad accurcy eather. The circle is a decent size for a MG but nothing like a shotgun at range.

Still don't think I will see it in game though, for all the right reasons. Its to expencive, to rare, and found about quarter a world away only at the moment.
  14:13:40  5 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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More Experimental Weapons
If any expermental devives make it the the zone as field tests on how they preform. They would small, compact, light to carry, easy to use and use very little if none if at all ammo.

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Some could be heavy, hard to use, bulky and use alot of ammo... but still mostly in the hand of those who don't have to lug it around the zone. Milatary posts mostly. Experemental doesn't always mean better eather.



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One such device could be a pistal sized electro shock gun. This device would project out a high voltage arch of electric, shocking any creatures in frount of the stalker in a 90 degree arch to a distance of two meters. The big draw back is that the device can only hold three charges at a time and that each charge takes a hour in game time to self charge using static electric in the air.

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I don't think it should self-reload, I don't see us having that sort of tech in the next 30 years with the oil barons running the world in many countries in the west. They will keep us dependend on non-reusable sources of power. The gun in question here would require quite alot of energy to both make a lethal bolt of electricity and throw it further then a few centimeters. But its STILL a good idea, just make the reload of it some sort of mini powerful fuel cell... a strong battery if you will.


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Weapons in stalker should have a reason why thier in the zone and have a proper use. the weapon above is a last resort prototype that was being field tested by several groups (specail ops, scientest and armered forces).

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Stalker held weapons in the zone should have NO reason for being in the zone? Strange that but my thinking on this is that a weapon is brought in by a stalker, and face it stalkers are criminals illigaly running and using weapons. Therefor they won't be 'issued' like a milatary, insteed going for whatever they can use and falling into personal choice. A merc band for example can be armed with a range of rifles without a care for what the guy next to them is using. Stalkers should be the same, there should be NO reason for a gun to be in the zone when its in a stalkers hands, just the reason becouse he wanted it there.

Now gun availability should have limits based on how common the weapon would be to the area and how expencive, and that is all. Experemental weapons are usualy in the hand of thier designers, the scientists around the zone, or the milatary and government forces... the reason for them being there is becouse the zone is where the R&D is going on.
  00:04:59  6 July 2003
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Xantos
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First of all, hello

I've been lurking around for quite some time now, allmost a year, but I haven't registered before now, for various reasons...

I haven't got a clue, whether i'm allowed to post information here (GSC, delete if don't want it out)

But I'm one of the guys who are supplying GSC with highres pics of weapons... So far they have showed interrest in these following weapons :

(Swedish) Bofors AK5V - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
Hekler & Koch - MP5 Swiss Edition - Caliber 9x19 - 32 rounds
Enfield SA80 - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
SigSauer P220 - Caliber 9x19 - 8 rounds
SAKO TRG-21 - Caliber .308 Winchester - 5 rounds
Frenchi Spas Spas 12 - 12 gauge

So there's something for everyone

Really glad that I can help the team, this way I also get to influence the team, so that we're going to see some more interresting weapons, especially the AK5V and the SAKO TRG-21




  04:27:59  6 July 2003
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Fux0r666
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By all means....


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First of all, hello

I've been lurking around for quite some time now, allmost a year, but I haven't registered before now, for various reasons...

I haven't got a clue, whether i'm allowed to post information here (GSC, delete if don't want it out)

But I'm one of the guys who are supplying GSC with highres pics of weapons... So far they have showed interrest in these following weapons :

(Swedish) Bofors AK5V - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
Hekler & Koch - MP5 Swiss Edition - Caliber 9x19 - 32 rounds
Enfield SA80 - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
SigSauer P220 - Caliber 9x19 - 8 rounds
SAKO TRG-21 - Caliber .308 Winchester - 5 rounds
Frenchi Spas Spas 12 - 12 gauge

So there's something for everyone

Really glad that I can help the team, this way I also get to influence the team, so that we're going to see some more interresting weapons, especially the AK5V and the SAKO TRG-21





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Post wherever you want, just make sure the topics overlap somewhat. As someone who sounds like he knows what he is talking about, good to have you here!
  18:16:12  8 July 2003
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Francisco_BR
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First of all, hello

I've been lurking around for quite some time now, allmost a year, but I haven't registered before now, for various reasons...

I haven't got a clue, whether i'm allowed to post information here (GSC, delete if don't want it out)

But I'm one of the guys who are supplying GSC with highres pics of weapons... So far they have showed interrest in these following weapons :

(Swedish) Bofors AK5V - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
Hekler & Koch - MP5 Swiss Edition - Caliber 9x19 - 32 rounds
Enfield SA80 - Caliber .223 - 32 rounds
SigSauer P220 - Caliber 9x19 - 8 rounds
SAKO TRG-21 - Caliber .308 Winchester - 5 rounds
Frenchi Spas Spas 12 - 12 gauge

So there's something for everyone

Really glad that I can help the team, this way I also get to influence the team, so that we're going to see some more interresting weapons, especially the AK5V and the SAKO TRG-21





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The problem is that the Bofors AK5 and the Enfield sa80 are only seen in two places: the swedish and the british army, respectively. It would look EXTREMELY unreal to see that kind of totally exclsive weapons in the game. The SA80 is made by the state-owned Enfield Arsenal in England, exclusively for equipping the british army- we will never see them in the hands of civilians or other armies.

Sakos are great and expensive hnting rifles, it's a good idea to have them in the game.

About the MP5, it's ahrd to say- ias any HK, its an elite, expensive weapons which should be very rare- like, a smmugled weapon from a swiss military HQ.

I am still against the inclusion of the SPAS12- it's the most clich
  21:31:59  8 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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Indeed, we should NEVER look at a gun becouse its 'cool' or 'looks good' or is 'powerful'

insteed these catagories should be looked at these three before deciding:

Location: Where does it oridginate, such as an american owned country
Cost: Is it expencive or dirt cheap?
Rarability: How many of them would be found in soviate union, the above two really put a impact on this BUT there could be 'curcumstances' that state otherwise.


Take the AK series... its built primarily around russia from my understanding. Its cheap as anything, some places you can get one for less then it costs to buy a meal and its VERY common around Russia.... hence its a good gun to be included. Not becouse its a great fire rate, or becouse its in every game or anything like that... but becouse its beleavable that it could be found there.

THen you have the Spas... its a french weapon, so europe... not that bad atleast its not australia or america. Down side though is its an expencive item... hence it won't find its way to the povity states of russia. It could be found in game but I would say once in a blue moon and no more then 3 of them in the whole game. Brought there by a french merc. that liked the gun.... hell the only one of them could be in his hands alone and you have to pry it from them if you want it.

Don't go saying things like

its a so and so cal, holds so many rounds, can blow a hole in someone the size of a grapefruit..... all that is pointless when you are trying to decide if a weapon fits into the game. What must be looked at above all else is WILL IT BE FOUND IN RUSSIA... if so how many of them could be there?
  12:00:16  9 July 2003
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Xantos
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Well, I must agree with both of you... I am not either fond of the Spas12, it IS very Cliche, and hard to get your hands on... I would also rather see, that they didn't include it, as it has become one of those "MUST HAVE" weapons in all modern games...

(My arguments are probaly not the best, I have acess to weapons, I'm a special effects technician, not a weapon buff... So I'm not very knowlegdeable, when it comes to weapons)

But! Both the Enfield and the Bofors AK5V are quite easy to get their hands on, at least if you have a weapons license... And as far as i know, they actually do export these weapons to other countries...

In the world of stalker, weapons are probaly bought on the black market... These armsdealers will sell anything!!!, not only common weapons like friggin AK74's and so on, agreed, these weapons are those who are commonly avaliable. But I could think up a scenario, where a armsdealer got their hands on some "exotic" weapons like a Enfield SA80 or a AK5v...

It would be more common to see european weapons, such as a those mentioned in my previous post, than super beefed up weapons from the states...

But again, just my humble oppinion... Feel free to correct me


  23:46:16  10 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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This is going to confuse but I think I have found a good system to use to decide if a gun should be in or not... it all bases around cost with things like location, rarability and such being verables.

Basicly we bring everything down to a cost value and use that to grade if the weapon is plausable ot be in the game. If the weapon is under a certain cost then its a 'definate' weapon. If its between that cost and a higher cost then its a 'unique' weapon and could be in or out of the game but considered rare... found in the hands of a few and might not even be buyable through the black market. If its above that cost its striped entirly.

Now the verables are what makes or breaks this idea. Location is such a one. THe further the manufacture location from russia is the higher the verable. If its in the states for example it could double or even tripple the cost where if its from russia it could reduce the cost by 1/4 or so. Rarability does the same, if under a certain number is produced then the verable will be larger. The more rare a weapon the more the verable jacks up the cost value.

COST is only used as the ok in this system and not the cost in game, no buying a AK47 for 2 cents becouse its very common and in russia alot. It still costs the same if it wasn't common or found in russia alot... this is just to see if a gun should be allowed in.

And example might be a italian weapon being smuggled in. Say its cost is about 2000 and the limit is 4000 and 4000-7000 for a unique. Now the gun in question is rare, making it double the cost while its found half way around europe which raises the cost 50%. The gun in question is now about 5000 so it COULD be in the game, but it night be a item you find on a body of a stalker after you kill them, or one that might pop up at the dealer maybe once or twice in a blue moon.



Remember, smuggling a weapon is alot harder then you think and the cost of it will limit what a common stalker wants. A stalker isn't going to pay a huge cost and risk to get a weapon when he can get a cheaper, easier, one closer to home that does the same thing.. or close enough it doesn't matter.
  02:01:42  11 July 2003
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Fux0r666
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Wow, Mr. Dealer. You're looking... quite... er... expensive today!

The dealer would be doing all the smuggling, though. I'm sure he has professional smugglers and the different factions might have their own economies. The stalker could show up with a wad of cash before he enters the zone and outfit himself there... however, seeing as he's the only game in town accessable to the general stalker, the dealer ought to stick it to you, price wise. Damn monopolies.
  01:30:33  12 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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Wow, Mr. Dealer. You're looking... quite... er... expensive today!

The dealer would be doing all the smuggling, though. I'm sure he has professional smugglers and the different factions might have their own economies. The stalker could show up with a wad of cash before he enters the zone and outfit himself there... however, seeing as he's the only game in town accessable to the general stalker, the dealer ought to stick it to you, price wise. Damn monopolies.
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As much as that would suck... its EXACTLY what would happen and if he is the only person in the game to sell stuff to the stalkers he should be expencive.... very expencive.

Still pushing for a small range of NPCs which can trade or sell weapons and items though. Always best to have a few people to compair prices to and hunt percific items/weapons from.
 
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