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  21:04:14  1 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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On forum: 03/01/2003
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I'm sure you all noticed that GSC is probably the only company that isn't using cliche guns that are used in almost every other game. That alone elevates GSC a little above other game developers, I think you guys should give them some credit just for that even though some of the guns you mentioned might not be in the final game. Although I'm pretty optimistic that you will see lots of these guns you mentioned.
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I agree a hell of a lot. Lets not go with the 'norm' weapons and use insteed weapons that would likely be more common around those parts. Oh I am not saying to throw all weapons unless they are russian out the window, the more the merrier. Still those likely to be found in the east and also in the hand of mercs, for thier cheapness more times then not, should be the ones which are the norm with the expencive weapon systems being eather very rare or non-existance.

I know, that makes it look bleek for my disire of weilding Metal-storm tech within the game but hell I can still dream can't I?
  21:29:18  1 July 2003
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Fux0r666
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Metal storm is a technology, not a weapon.


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I agree a hell of a lot. Lets not go with the 'norm' weapons and use insteed weapons that would likely be more common around those parts. Oh I am not saying to throw all weapons unless they are russian out the window, the more the merrier. Still those likely to be found in the east and also in the hand of mercs, for thier cheapness more times then not, should be the ones which are the norm with the expencive weapon systems being eather very rare or non-existance.

I know, that makes it look bleek for my disire of weilding Metal-storm tech within the game but hell I can still dream can't I?
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You can't impliment what does not exist. That weapon box they showcase the technology that fires a million rounds per minute is not a weapon. Furthermore, there is nothing less spectacular than a weapon that fires a million rounds per minute out of multiple barrels. Can you imagine what that's like? I highly doubt that you would be able to distinguish the different gunshots. It would sound like a bang, a brilliant flash.. and you'd have to reload all of your 100 or so bullets, 10 into each barrel by hand. Moreover, having that many bullets go off in such close proximity would disturb all bullets except the first ones. It would be like firing a sawn off shotgun full of pistol ammo.

Otherwise it has a laptop to control the rate of fire electronically.. which would make it a big, nondestinct box that fires like an inaccurate, low velocity submachinegun.

There is also a metal storm less lethal pistol prototype... but why would a stalker carry a weapon that is used to incapacitate wife beaters and hostage takers?

If they are going to make up their own guns based on the technology, they could just call it a 'caseless, electrochemical assault weapon experimental' or something and they wouldn't have to worry about intellectual property rights.
  23:21:27  1 July 2003
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Jinx Dragon
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You can't impliment what does not exist.
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Ahhh metalstorm exists, proto type with only test fires but they all look fairly good


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That weapon box they showcase the technology that fires a million rounds per minute is not a weapon.
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Not talking about the weapon system, try lugging even the 12 barrel design around wouldn't be possable. That would be good for mounted positions on outposts but thats about it. What I am talking about is the O'dywer pistol.


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Furthermore, there is nothing less spectacular than a weapon that fires a million rounds per minute out of multiple barrels.

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What is intersting about it is not the fact it can, its how.


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Can you imagine what that's like? I highly doubt that you would be able to distinguish the different gunshots.

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DL the proto type test fires, they are on the server. One would include the different rates of fire for not even the huge box systems, a smaller one. By the end of it, the 1 million rounds, you can't tell by the end becouse its just like one zip sound.


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and you'd have to reload all of your 100 or so bullets, 10 into each barrel by hand.

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Actualy they have loader strips to make it easier... infact you don't actualy place the bullets in the system, more like replacing the whole barrel at once.


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Moreover, having that many bullets go off in such close proximity would disturb all bullets except the first ones.

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Would be intersting to see the follow up bullets riding in the wake of the first, still ALOT less then recoil effect. But you could still do intersting 4 burst shots with the o'dywer without having a problem with the bullet wake as they will be side by side, not one behind the other.


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Otherwise it has a laptop to control the rate of fire electronically.. which would make it a big, nondestinct box that fires like an inaccurate, low velocity submachinegun.

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Again look towards the handgun, the o'dywer. Its what I mean about Metal Storm tech being put in. The box designs would just be pointless, a few rifle designs could work but they are still in design.


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There is also a metal storm less lethal pistol prototype... but why would a stalker carry a weapon that is used to incapacitate wife beaters and hostage takers?

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This one of the largest things I have to clear up with the o'dywer. IT is not a non-lethal weapon, it just can be used in that way. There is nothing stopping you from putting 9mm and .45 into the gun, infact the design allows you to put both in, giving you the ability to use different round and even AP rounds with hollows... selecting from what you need.

Just becouse its being advertised for police use there, with demos of non-lethal applications does not mean its a non-lethal gun... it can just be used that way as well.


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If they are going to make up their own guns based on the technology, they could just call it a 'caseless, electrochemical assault weapon experimental' or something and they wouldn't have to worry about intellectual property rights.
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Now thats a good idea, allowing a basic railgun design with multi-barrels allowing the same thing to happen. Still would like to see a small 4 to 8 barrel design shooting grenades too.





Still blows my chances of seeing it in, being first expencive because its new tech. Second being limited to only milatary use, even personal use down here is a big no-no because of our gun laws. Hence I don't think it would be spread that much by the year 2030 do you? Good reasons why not to see it in alas.
  19:32:45  2 July 2003
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nicolas10
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I understand why the AK47 is present, because it's very popular all around the world, especially in 3rd world countries, but in the zone I have a hard time believing anyone'd use it. It'd make much more sense to use the base equipment from the Russian army, or outclassed rifles like AK74 or used AN94.

I hope the russian soldiers won't walk around with a Ak47. That'd look ludicrous. Dragunov is ok, but it'd be strange if every soldier had a dragunov. Also a squad level machine gun for the russian army would be logical.

I agree the russian shotguns would be better than the SPAS, and generally russian stuff instead of the newsed western things. However keep in mind that it'd happen a long time from now. So P90; USP... and so on could be obtained more easily than they are now.

Nico
  22:19:39  2 July 2003
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Fux0r666
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On forum: 06/04/2003
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Crack is not just a mark in the sidewalk anymore!


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I understand why the AK47 is present, because it's very popular all around the world, especially in 3rd world countries, but in the zone I have a hard time believing anyone'd use it. It'd make much more sense to use the base equipment from the Russian army, or outclassed rifles like AK74 or used AN94.
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Besides the ergonomic problems and complex machinery, the an94 is one of the finest assault rifles in the world today, asside from the g36. How is it outclassed?


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I hope the russian soldiers won't walk around with a Ak47. That'd look ludicrous. Dragunov is ok, but it'd be strange if every soldier had a dragunov. Also a squad level machine gun for the russian army would be logical.

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Dragonov SVD is not a sniper rifle so much as it was meant to increase the range of the average soldier unit. I'm not sure how the Russian military impliments that, but I doubt they would be uncommon. However, all the russian military you came across would most likely by carrying the ak74m, which for all intents and purposes looks like an ak47 with black furnishings. You do know that the ak47 and all of its successors are russian military design and standard, right?


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I agree the russian shotguns would be better than the SPAS, and generally russian stuff instead of the newsed western things. However keep in mind that it'd happen a long time from now. So P90; USP... and so on could be obtained more easily than they are now.

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Perhaps not in the Ukraine.
  22:57:27  2 July 2003
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Francisco_BR
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On forum: 06/18/2003
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Fuck western modern thrash! long live russian and old soviet weapons!


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Crack is not just a mark in the sidewalk anymore!

I understand why the AK47 is present, because it's very popular all around the world, especially in 3rd world countries, but in the zone I have a hard time believing anyone'd use it. It'd make much more sense to use the base equipment from the Russian army, or outclassed rifles like AK74 or used AN94.

Besides the ergonomic problems and complex machinery, the an94 is one of the finest assault rifles in the world today, asside from the g36. How is it outclassed?


I hope the russian soldiers won't walk around with a Ak47. That'd look ludicrous. Dragunov is ok, but it'd be strange if every soldier had a dragunov. Also a squad level machine gun for the russian army would be logical.


Dragonov SVD is not a sniper rifle so much as it was meant to increase the range of the average soldier unit. I'm not sure how the Russian military impliments that, but I doubt they would be uncommon. However, all the russian military you came across would most likely by carrying the ak74m, which for all intents and purposes looks like an ak47 with black furnishings. You do know that the ak47 and all of its successors are russian military design and standard, right?


I agree the russian shotguns would be better than the SPAS, and generally russian stuff instead of the newsed western things. However keep in mind that it'd happen a long time from now. So P90; USP... and so on could be obtained more easily than they are now.


Perhaps not in the Ukraine.
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I agree with fux0r. Nc.

We have plenty of good weapon ideas here in this topic, bt i feel the lack pistols here in the ideas presented. I would like to see some of that new russian pistols with AP bullets. Bt besides that, i have no idea of what pistols should be included and what pistol would be used by the ilitary stalkers (the l33t3st guys)

No Desert Eagle please- it's the world's biggest clich
  23:27:15  3 July 2003
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Fux0r666
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Now I quote just to take up screen realestate.


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You can't impliment what does not exist.

Ahhh metalstorm exists, proto type with only test fires but they all look fairly good

That weapon box they showcase the technology that fires a million rounds per minute is not a weapon.

Not talking about the weapon system, try lugging even the 12 barrel design around wouldn't be possable. That would be good for mounted positions on outposts but thats about it. What I am talking about is the O'dywer pistol.


Furthermore, there is nothing less spectacular than a weapon that fires a million rounds per minute out of multiple barrels.


What is intersting about it is not the fact it can, its how.


Can you imagine what that's like? I highly doubt that you would be able to distinguish the different gunshots.


DL the proto type test fires, they are on the server. One would include the different rates of fire for not even the huge box systems, a smaller one. By the end of it, the 1 million rounds, you can't tell by the end becouse its just like one zip sound.


and you'd have to reload all of your 100 or so bullets, 10 into each barrel by hand.


Actualy they have loader strips to make it easier... infact you don't actualy place the bullets in the system, more like replacing the whole barrel at once.


Moreover, having that many bullets go off in such close proximity would disturb all bullets except the first ones.


Would be intersting to see the follow up bullets riding in the wake of the first, still ALOT less then recoil effect. But you could still do intersting 4 burst shots with the o'dywer without having a problem with the bullet wake as they will be side by side, not one behind the other.


Otherwise it has a laptop to control the rate of fire electronically.. which would make it a big, nondestinct box that fires like an inaccurate, low velocity submachinegun.

Again look towards the handgun, the o'dywer. Its what I mean about Metal Storm tech being put in. The box designs would just be pointless, a few rifle designs could work but they are still in design.


There is also a metal storm less lethal pistol prototype... but why would a stalker carry a weapon that is used to incapacitate wife beaters and hostage takers?


This one of the largest things I have to clear up with the o'dywer. IT is not a non-lethal weapon, it just can be used in that way. There is nothing stopping you from putting 9mm and .45 into the gun, infact the design allows you to put both in, giving you the ability to use different round and even AP rounds with hollows... selecting from what you need.

Just becouse its being advertised for police use there, with demos of non-lethal applications does not mean its a non-lethal gun... it can just be used that way as well.


If they are going to make up their own guns based on the technology, they could just call it a 'caseless, electrochemical assault weapon experimental' or something and they wouldn't have to worry about intellectual property rights.

Now thats a good idea, allowing a basic railgun design with multi-barrels allowing the same thing to happen. Still would like to see a small 4 to 8 barrel design shooting grenades too.

Still blows my chances of seeing it in, being first expencive because its new tech. Second being limited to only milatary use, even personal use down here is a big no-no because of our gun laws. Hence I don't think it would be spread that much by the year 2030 do you? Good reasons why not to see it in alas.
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I like you, Jinx Dragon. You're not afraid to call me on it when I'm speaking conceptually (read: out of my ass).
  00:06:04  4 July 2003
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Theresa
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On forum: 11/21/2002
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It's definitely nice to have a broad and varied choice of weapons rather than just one or two of each category. I agree that things like the SPAS-12, UZI and Desert Eagle probably shouldn't be in STALKER - they're cliched and it's pretty silly to expect that they'd be readily available and used when there are plenty of russian/eastern european weapons which are just as good if not superior, and much cheaper too. Some Submachine Guns would be nice to see - things like the FN P90 (to compliment the pistol and the assault rifle) would fill an evident gap.
  11:16:34  4 July 2003
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nicolas10
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Crack is not just a mark in the sidewalk anymore!

Besides the ergonomic problems and complex machinery, the an94 is one of the finest assault rifles in the world today, asside from the g36. How is it outclassed?

Dragonov SVD is not a sniper rifle so much as it was meant to increase the range of the average soldier unit. I'm not sure how the Russian military impliments that, but I doubt they would be uncommon. However, all the russian military you came across would most likely by carrying the ak74m, which for all intents and purposes looks like an ak47 with black furnishings. You do know that the ak47 and all of its successors are russian military design and standard, right?

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Well I meant by the time the game happen, the AK74 would be outclassed, and the 'used' AN94 would be available easily IMO. THe outclassed comment was for the Ak74, and I didn't mean it was bad, but only that it was probably not used by top russian troops when the game takes place.

My point was only that instead of the Ak47, I think some other (later) assault rifles would be available to stalkers, like AK74 or AN94 or AK100 series or whatever. I didn't mean they were bad or anything.

Nico
  08:59:30  5 July 2003
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Crazy_Andy
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More Experimental Weapons

Ok, most of the weapons on this post have been big and use loads of ammo. To my mind, this is still the norm and if were thinking expermental then think of what would be the ideal weapon design.

If any expermental devives make it the the zone as field tests on how they preform. They would small, compact, light to carry, easy to use and use very little if none if at all ammo.

One such device could be a pistal sized electro shock gun. This device would project out a high voltage arch of electric, shocking any creatures in frount of the stalker in a 90 degree arch to a distance of two meters. The big draw back is that the device can only hold three charges at a time and that each charge takes a hour in game time to self charge using static electric in the air.

This would make the weapon a close range last resort only to be used when most needed.

Weapons in stalker should have a reason why thier in the zone and have a proper use. the weapon above is a last resort prototype that was being field tested by several groups (specail ops, scientest and armered forces).

 
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