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  01:05:11  14 May 2017
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LiquidBronze
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On forum: 03/25/2007
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

Hi all, I will start to check here for bug reports, etc... but just a FYI the best way to get our attention is through MODDB (post or PM).

Please post a detailed bug description, any screenshots and the crash log if applicable.

Thank you in advanced.

LB
  07:09:10  14 May 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

LiquidBronze~

Having to wade through page after page after page after page on LA ModDB
with no index, no titles or title search only encourages people to make a new
post every single time they have a repetitive problem. A huge waste of time
for Players to try to dig through them all and a huge waste of time for Dez0wave
members to read each and every single post. However, it's your time to waste.
If you think that having a single page here with titles and index that covers more
ground with one page than what 100 or more pages of ModDB does, is not as handy
then by all means don't use this established system here of order and organization.

TS
  09:20:18  14 May 2017
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S_C_A_R
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TS, I 100% agree with you, but the ugly truth is, people just don't listen/read, the GSC forums' disclaimer next to the comment box at Moddb has been there for years. Everyone sees it, yet they ignore it and post on Moddb instead, or even worse, post on Facebook's pages... Sigh.... but you are right, it's Dez0wave's time to waste...
  09:53:06  14 May 2017
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homey
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Totally agree with TS and S.C.A.R, GSC forums is the place where many serious Stalkers lurk and tons of information is available. I feel it is under utilized by a vast stalker community.
The Dez team have created a great mod, that will only get better with a few fixes that are being implemented. Too many baby stalkers on moddb complain and whine while not even installing correctly, wasting the devs time.
Any way just wanted to say congrats on the mod, and thanks to the GSC forum for keeping STALKER alive.
  11:57:33  14 May 2017
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Lord_Santa
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Too many baby stalkers on moddb complain and whine while not even installing correctly, wasting the devs time.
Any way just wanted to say congrats on the mod, and thanks to the GSC forum for keeping STALKER alive.
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having been on moddb to get my 'news and fixes' with regards to LA: DC, I gave up when I noticed that three or so pages with comments were with regards to ye' old nazi/holocaust-debate' and someone pointing out that Stalkers be showing their true colors (paraphrased) - whilst I sincerely don't think that there's that many (and dare I use the word 'true') Stalkers out there who are anything near what the majority of trolls/incompetent morons over at moddb portray them as being

now, I fully understand Dezowave's decision to keep it at moddb and FB - moddb is a great resource for any and all mods, as it reaches out to a greater number of people and this game should be available for everyone (IMO) and apparently Facebook has gotten some new groove and people seem to be abandoning forums all the over internet to utilize FB's instead (I personally left FB a while ago) - so it's understandable

it's just a shame to me that Stalkers are being pointed out as a bunch of trolls and otherwise shamelessly ignorant, whilst in reality although there have been a lot of quarrels within the community of these forums, most of these have been sorted out in a proper manner, within a reasonable time-frame and although feelings have been hurt; I do believe that we as a community have always stood up for both one another and the game-series (and its various iterations of mods), without resorting to the sort of commentary seen on (per example) moddb

(and also what T.S. and others have pointed out)

apart from that - great work to the whole team; I'm fully enjoying LA: DC and will try to provide some bugs

currently playing on the 1.4004 patch (from Russian forum) which is not currently 'publicly available' - hence I won't post any bugs at the moment, but I'll let you know
  13:38:23  14 May 2017
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Byte Me
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On forum: 10/08/2014
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

Hi all, I will start to check here for bug reports, etc... but just a FYI the best way to get our attention is through MODDB (post or PM).

Please post a detailed bug description, any screenshots and the crash log if applicable.

Thank you in advanced.

LB
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I thank you all for your efforts in getting DC "up and running boss"; for the comprehensive weapon and suit u/g trees, which seem to work well; for the 'extensions' to various levels and maps, and for some of the tweaks to the artifacts and their detection - it needed to be made more difficult after 1.3003.

The new mutant "trophies' are also better artworked and weight balanced.

The logical place to report bugs, whoopsies, cockups, exploits, etc., would be the Dezowave site imho. This of course is anathema. I don't go to ModDB much, reporting there is muuuuch less easy than picking the brains of the community HERE. Or CONTRIBUTING to it.

If you looked around this forum, you would find modders who could have had your LADC perfected back in 2015. Even a miserable rookie such as myself (probably erroneously) posted some trivial TEXT file fixes in the "Community Bug Fixes 1.3003" section at the top of the forum.

I spent much of yesterday wandering around the Artifact Field fleshpots of Old Yantar, just to confirm a nagging theory.
Sure enough, after the blocking art is removed - all that spawns are Slime artifacts.

Same around the Burner anomalies: all Droplets and Green parasites. No fireballs, crystals, BLUE parasites...

Conclusion: nothing was deemed needy of fixing.

OR, you were all too busy inserting proto-trader Nimble into the alife that he wasn't properly playtested.
I had to leave him 'wall-humping' in the Escape Underground TWICE..

But today was extra special.
I ran through the back streets of the NPP and into the Sarcophagus without major difficulty.
I went through the control room gameplay, the whole sarco routine, even visited 'Deedee's Lab' - snagged his docs and PDA - and wasted the Zombies with the purloined Gauss rifle (+4 hands too) Got the generators codes.
To find 2 scientists trying to get in with their boxes "stuck in the door".
And the door locked.
Replayed the level.
Door locks after bloodsucker scene.

Tried 'unlocking' the locked door with Dynamite. No soap.
Got creative and used the gratis Fuel Barrel. No soap..
But it managed to piss off the scientist faction who are now 'neutral' ..

At which point I felt swindled by a free game.

I LOVE your game. But this is TOO MUCH. This didn't happen in 1.3003. The "scientists" would turn zombie and the door would suitably function.

I had to take the "Follow the monolith's call" crap ending.
Now I'm seriously considering uninstalling the game - possibly with the prospect of revisiting in another three years - if I live that long.
/rant
  15:44:00  14 May 2017
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LiquidBronze
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

LiquidBronze~

Having to wade through page after page after page after page on LA ModDB
with no index, no titles or title search only encourages people to make a new
post every single time they have a repetitive problem. A huge waste of time
for Players to try to dig through them all and a huge waste of time for Dez0wave
members to read each and every single post. However, it's your time to waste.
If you think that having a single page here with titles and index that covers more
ground with one page than what 100 or more pages of ModDB does, is not as handy
then by all means don't use this established system here of order and organization.

TS
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TS plain and simple, barely anyone comes here anymore, so what do you expect. There is no way to make them come here, unless you have some magic way, then by all means help out man. Hell I have not been on these forums for like a year + myself. I am doing what I can to help the team out.
  16:16:15  14 May 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

People go where Dez0wave shows up. If you baby them and answer
each and every single post and don't require them to make any effort
to do a search by looking at previous posts ( difficult on Facebook that
only goes back a few days before being unable to load any more pages )
or LA ModDB where they would be forced to read page after page of the
complaints of Neo-Nazi music appreciation, then by all means they are
going to go where they get the attention. It doesn't require magic. It
simply requires Dez0wave to make a decision how they best want to use
their time. If the benefit of an index and post titles where 1300 threads
with exact, specific titles and the searchable replies to those of 16,800+
consecutive posts is a tool that you can't understand the advantage of
or want to make an effort to direct people to ( like I did back in 2014
on Lost Alpha Facebook and had it under control ) then so be it for all
the Dez0wave members. I can only try to help Dez0wave as I've always
done. I am one of the Admins on the Lost Alpha Facebook page but I
cannot direct them all here if all the other Dez0wave members do not.

TS
  16:34:13  14 May 2017
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LiquidBronze
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---QUOTATION---
LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

People go where Dez0wave shows up. If you baby them and answer
each and every single post and don't require them to make any effort
to do a search by looking at previous posts ( difficult on Facebook that
only goes back a few days before being unable to load any more pages )
or LA ModDB where they would be forced to read page after page of the
complaints of Neo-Nazi music appreciation, then by all means they are
going to go where they get the attention. It doesn't require magic. It
simply requires Dez0wave to make a decision how they best want to use
their time. If the benefit of an index and post titles where 1300 threads
with exact, specific titles and the searchable replies to those of 16,800+
consecutive posts is a tool that you can't understand the advantage of
or want to make an effort to direct people to ( like I did back in 2014
on Lost Alpha Facebook and had it under control ) then so be it for all
the Dez0wave members. I can only try to help Dez0wave as I've always
done. I am one of the Admins on the Lost Alpha Facebook page but I
cannot direct them all here if all the other Dez0wave members do not.

TS
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I do not understand it, please explain in more detail.
  18:12:08  14 May 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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Tejas Stalker
05/15/2017 3:40:57
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LA update for bug reports on GSC forums

LiquidBronze~

I'm going to assume you are sincere and not being sarcastic. I don't
see you listed on the Dez0wave website under the members as myself,
that gives your country of origin and the language you have as your
primary, so maybe English is not your native language and why you are
having trouble understanding. I guess Dez0wave needs to update that.

Simply put let's give several example of being a User/Player needing help.

Player is having trouble with Nimble. On LA Facebook, one has to go
look at single post after single post hoping someone posted something
similar since there is no search engine. This would be easier if LA FB
was nothing but Player's problems but it shares the same space with
LA screenshots, Stalker Memes, Links to stories of interest both Stalker
and non-Stalker related and a wide range of fluff that has zero to do with
LA bugs and this alone makes it difficult to navigate. Add to that the
wonky nature of Facebook where sometimes you can go back a month
or two, a week or sometimes only a few days to look at older posts.
It depends on traffic, it depends on how much fluff is posted per day
and since there are no titles or index, it's an unorganized mess of info.

Player is having trouble with Nimble. On LA ModDB, one looks on the first
page and doesn't see what they want. Rarely are people willing to look at
the 2nd, 3rd or more pages of previous posts. I know this from experience.
Even if they do manage to peek at a few other pages, since there is no
index or titles, each and every single post must be tediously read word
for word to see if they contain information on the same subject. Even if
one is inspired to use the ModDB search window and enter "Nimble Bugs"
the search results give you: 4 link ads about Insects, Insects & Bugs,
Download insects free & 350 Insect and Spiders Items. This is followed
by 3 references to Call of Chernobyl, 3 references to Call of Pripyat, a
Mod called "Jack B. Nimble" being released. a Nimble reference for Misery,
and 2 vague references for Nimble in Lost Alpha where on one of them a
person is threatening there better not be any bugs because they waited
so long. The bottom line is the search engine on Mod DB really sucks.

Player is having trouble with Nimble. Goes to GSC Game World LA bugs:
http://i.imgur.com/m1wLWbg.jpg

Player is having trouble with X-18 information and uses title to find help:
http://i.imgur.com/m1wLWbg.jpg

Now as you can see, if Dez0wave makes no effort to make an appearance
here on the specific forum section called "LA Bugs" that the Moderator of the
GSC Forums created back in 2014, then you have Players or other Modders
helping each other. Rarely do other people do the same on LA Facebook
or LA ModDB because after a day or two, the post disappears from the
first page and is quickly forgotten. There is zero organization both places.

http://i.imgur.com/WuJBMjC.jpg
Here's some more examples with the one in red of someone reporting an
exploit related to Petrenko and the one that's circled in green is a perfect
example. A person came here to ask about Helis at the Bar being invisible.
No one answered it here ( Dezowave's fault ) so the same person posted it
on LA Facebook. Dez himself answered that on FB and the person got help.
Now that single effort by Dez0wave will soon disappear from the first page
on FB and be lost among the screenshots, Memes, links to other websites
and other fluff. The same on LA ModDB where what is not relevant today
is doomed to be repeated tomorrow. This bad behavior is rewarded by
Dez0wave who wastes time answering each and every post as they happen.

Now if Dez0wave would answer this on the GSC Forums, and Dez0wave
encouraged people to go here instead of the unorganized, no titles, no
index anarchy of LA FB & LA ModDB, it would be there for ALL to see.
On the first page with other titles and in an index. At the bottom the
blue arrows show you how to input a search. ALWAYS change from the
default "10 days" to "All the Time" for deep searches or use the "10 days"
for relevant information that is fresh and related. Use the two choices
of "spaces as AND" or "spaces as OR" if the results are not specific enough.

Like I said before, there is no better place than here to be organized and
see stuff by index and titles. Here there is the "Lost Alpha" discussion
section for talking about the Game and the "Lost Alpha Bugs" created to
have nothing more than Bugs and not posts about Screenshots, Cheeki
Breeki Memes or discussion about Nazi music used in some LA Lab. If
you cannot understand this more in depth explanation, I have nothing
more to give. If you think LA Facebook or LA ModDB is more hip and
modern than the GSC Forums that has served Modders and Players for
10 years straight is out of fashion then so be it. It's not a question of
the best resources at any specific website as much as it's a question of
Dez0wave having the time and effort to be the most effective. In 2014
Dez0wave was too busy fixing things than to waste time elsewhere than
here. In 2017, Dez0wave apparently has time to waste as they please.

TS
 
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