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  16:12:18  4 July 2015
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StoleitfromKilgore
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Bodies of unique NPCs disappearing?

I was just reading an article on Ultima Online on RPS, when I though of one odd ocurrence in SoC. One playthrough I wasn't quite aware what had happened to Barrin, before I finally stumbled on his 5.45 Groza in the ditch outside the southern entrance to the Bar. But there was no body anyhwere.

So I realized that I do not quite understand how Offline-combat works. My impression was that there is - as opposed to Clear Sky - no combat at all. So I assumed that I simply was in the area somewhere, but missed his death (as usual through dogs). Still, there would have to be a body there, right? He is a unique NPC after all.
  16:27:43  4 July 2015
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AK_Stalker
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Barin and Mole allways disappear,even though they have unique weapons on them.Happened to me too,found Barin's Groza on the ground ...
Edit: I just thought of Poker.I seem to remember that I found his gun few times without his body there...
But I'm almost sure that I was in vicinity,and brought those npcs online,just didn't notice their deaths immidiately.
  10:36:12  5 July 2015
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StoleitfromKilgore
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Thanks, that makes things a bit clearer.

By the way: Is Poker the one with the SPAS or with the Abakan? I remember that the SPAS-guy showed up in Agroprom Underground the last time I played, but it's not always like that, I think.
  14:59:42  5 July 2015
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AK_Stalker
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Poker is one with the SPAS,yes.I believe that Friar is the one with the Storming Obokan.I usually play slowly,so I meet both of them in Agroprom.
That time I found the SPAS,it was outside Agroprom Institute building,on the slopes leading to Garbage level changer.There is an offline path which is used by both military and bandits reinforcements.If you get close,it brings them online and firefight starts. And there are pseudodogs hanging there just to spice things up
  15:37:24  5 July 2015
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Bodies of unique NPCs disappearing?

NPCs can only be harmed when they go on-line. If they are off-line and
your actions make them go on-line you may not be aware of them if you
are focused on going in a specific direction. Take Garbage for example.
The Player will use the road going back and forth from the Cordon to
Rostok. NPCs do not. They go around the garbage piles on the far east
and west ends. If you are at the far east end of the vehicle scrapyard
you are far enough away NOT to activate the Bandits over the hill to the
west next to the anomaly field. If you enter the vehicle scrapyard and
walk to the center of it THEN you are close enough to make the Bandits
go on-line. Does that give you an idea of the actual range? It exceeds
your Mini-Map so don't use that to judge range. Barin and Mole are not
perma-bodies. Not all single named NPCs are perma-bodies but most do
have unique weapons so keep an eye out for their demise to collect them.

TS
  23:08:16  5 July 2015
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Max Chill
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Most of the unique NPCs disappear post-mortem, as far as they go it's mainly the ones whom you meet in the Cordon and Garbage early on leaving perma-bodies. But the majority of perma-bodies you'll find throughout the game are randomly-named.

Barin usually moves to the DV side of the Garbage/DV level changer after you hand the X-18 docs to Barkeep. In the interim between obtaining the documents and giving them to Barkeep I've witnessed Barin repeatedly walking out past the checkpoint before returning to the city, hence the likelihood of finding his weapon just outside of Rostok.
  13:41:10  18 July 2015
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StoleitfromKilgore
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Barin usually moves to the DV side of the Garbage/DV level changer after you hand the X-18 docs to Barkeep. In the interim between obtaining the documents and giving them to Barkeep I've witnessed Barin repeatedly walking out past the checkpoint before returning to the city, hence the likelihood of finding his weapon just outside of Rostok.
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I once met Barrin in the Dark Valley, guarding the level-changer together with Duty. They were all killed off by mutants trying to repopulate the lab-area, while Barrin was sitting behind a rock. He didn't even get involved for some reason. But usually in my games he gets himself killed by the dogs at the southern Bar-entrance. I have never seen him walking out and back into the Bar however.
  00:22:53  19 July 2015
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I once met Barrin in the Dark Valley, guarding the level-changer together with Duty. They were all killed off by mutants trying to repopulate the lab-area, while Barrin was sitting behind a rock. He didn't even get involved for some reason. But usually in my games he gets himself killed by the dogs at the southern Bar-entrance. I have never seen him walking out and back into the Bar however.
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It's very easy to miss, the only time that I've seen Barin do this is while I'm holding the X-18 documents. At this point in the game he essentially roams around to points all over the Bar map with his head on a swivel, constantly glancing left and right as he walks. I can only assume this is because he's ready to join another Duty camp but none are available to him as of yet.

http://i.imgur.com/FSWr7sE.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CGW8Qge.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/WwAb6PW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PWYWO9d.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p72u2An.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gvYWs68.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/adXX4Oq.jpg

I recently got him to travel to the Wild Territory due to my activating the Duty camp there without having entered the Dark Valley. It's conceivable that one could also coax him to travel to Yantar, the Army Warehouses, or even the Red Forest or Pripyat through bypassing all objectives that activate the camps that one usually sees in the earlier portions of the game. http://i.imgur.com/UMKIvF7.jpg
  06:34:13  20 July 2015
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Bodies of unique NPCs disappearing?

One time long ago I found Barin's gun on the ground outside the fenced
in area of the Vehicle Scrapyard in Garbage. It was in the far south-west
corner where people usually never go. I never saw him or anyone near it.
This was back when my Games were shorter. In my longer Games now
he usually doesn't make it out of Rostok and dies waiting for some event
that comes too slow for him to get the prompt to depart heading south.

TS
  02:32:19  21 July 2015
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Bodies of unique NPCs disappearing?

One time long ago I found Barin's gun on the ground outside the fenced
in area of the Vehicle Scrapyard in Garbage. It was in the far south-west
corner where people usually never go. I never saw him or anyone near it.
This was back when my Games were shorter. In my longer Games now
he usually doesn't make it out of Rostok and dies waiting for some event
that comes too slow for him to get the prompt to depart heading south.

TS
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Hmm, weird. Maybe someone else picked the weapon up and carried it out that way before falling to the usual influx of bandits and military who travel nearby. Although I wouldn't be surprised at all if some unlikely occurrence could cause Barin to wander the Garbage as well.

I was pretty excited to witness him fighting a poltergeist in the Bar TZ (2nd and 3rd-to-last screenshots in my previous post). Though it even being in that area at the time probably had something to do with my having broken into X-18 sans both keys, as only half the usual number were waiting for me there.
 
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