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Tejas Stalker
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Tejas Stalker
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An open letter to the Loner community from Duty's PR department

You have no idea how delighted I am that you posted considering I
wanted to share a whole lot more information about the subject in
question. Mainly due to most of the people involved here having no
idea of the background of the situation or making assumptions on the
limited information at hand. In other words, a lot more walls of text.

First, my walls of text are not meant to be funny and I never thought
or assumed anyone here did either but since you compared it to BobBQ's
work as choosing between two things over one being more funny than the
other, I guess you do. Is it a shame? Not at all since it was never any
type of competition and certainly a puzzling thing to be congratulated.

I fully understand you defending him since the two of you are so much
alike. You both like to interject yourselves into things that have nothing
to do with you, make some type of snarky or smartass comment and then
sling a few insults as if you imagine yourselves to be witty and wonderful.

However let's move beyond that and talk about things I wanted to share.
I think everyone here has probably seen a baby at some time in their life
where the baby doesn't get his/her way and they start crying. The baby
will throw a tantrum, throw objects about and may even hit things with
their hands and feet or bang their head. Then they start crying even more
because what they hit causes more pain. This is called a tantrum which is
an emotional outburst. When older children do this, they can break objects
that may even be things like furniture, pictures on a wall or other prized
possessions. Now of course they don't want these objects broken but they
are caught up in the moment of their emotional outburst and they are
wanting to display how upset and angry they are for not getting their way.

When you're on the internet and you are childish and immature, you can't
very well hit objects or break things that people can't see. There is no
way to display your tantrum except to destroy or damage other things
that people can see. This is what Robert Quinlan did. He de-activated
his YouTube page and took away his vast library of videos. To show his
anger. To display his frustration with not getting his way. Like a child.

Videos that have nothing to do with any differences with anyone here on
the GSC Forums. No one wanted him to do that. Not even me. In fact if
you will look at his posting of all his earlier videos on this very thread,
you will find me giving him praise, telling him how talented he is and also
being the one person that shared them the most on Official S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
and my own personal Facebook page and even Reddit. I even made many
similar comments on his YouTube page that were all positive and supportive.

Why did I do this? Because his videos had nothing to do with the problems
I had with him. They were for the Stalker Community and the reason
why I was 100% behind supporting him and promoting his work. I also
hoped he would appreciate this and be an adult about things but he didn't.
However before I get back to that we all need to understand Robert Quinlan.
Do understand that his real name was revealed by him on his YouTube
page so I'm not doing anything he hasn't already done using it or BobBQ.

BobBQ was once an active member of the Bungie Community. This was
a Gaming Forum where the time and dedication he put in elevated him to
the status of "Forum Ninja" which was a Moderator. This fact is very, very
important to understanding his difficulties here. BobBQ was used to being
in charge and getting his way. Several people have told me when he was
a Moderator that if you argued with him...BANNED! Tried to debate any
issue...BANNED! Said something that he didn't like or agree with...BANNED!
So let's just say Robert Quinlan was used to being an authority figure who
always got his way and it molded him into the person he is here when he
arrived at the GSC Forums. Many years passed by where I was on the GSC
Forums with him without any problems between us and everything was okay.

Then eventually there came a point in time where we had a disagreement.
At that time I had no knowledge that he had been a Moderator on another
Forum but in hindsight it explains the way he treated me and his attitude
that you DO NOT argue with him. You DO NOT debate with him. You DO
NOT have a viewpoint that he disagrees with. Unknown to me at the time
this was a grudge that he would NEVER EVER get over. And so this has
been my life with him for the past several years. He would seek out my
Posts and start arguments with me, make snarky comments and generally
do what people call today, including himself in his own words "shit" on
people. A word I don't like to use but it is his word and he was good at
doing it. So apparently standing up for myself and not putting up with his
bully "Moderator" behavior, that he was in charge and you do not fight
back. To do so, in his childlike mind he calls it that he is being "shit" on
which is the same as saying he was given back what he was dishing out.

Through out this time of his Bully behavior, his starting fights, his hunting
down my posts and behaving badly, I continued to share his YouTube
content and I encouraged him to do more. They didn't necessarily have
to be things I found hilarious but I could appreciate the time and effort
that went into them. Like a lot of content, be it screenshots, videos, art
or links that I share on Official S.T.A.L.K.E.R, they are not there for me
to judge personally. They are there for the Stalker Community to do that.

Recently in another place on the Forum I made a simple greeting to
another Forum member I had known for 10 years and in return I was
exposed to their 10 year resentment towards me for not supporting their
Mod. In those 10 years, that same person would follow my many posts
talking about playing SoC in various play throughs and they would constantly
interject that their Mod would fix this and that of things I mentioned. I
never let this bother me because I knew they were trying to be helpful
and I learned something at the same time. However their Mod was not
what I wanted that had been wrongly identified over time in the Community
as being bug fixes when it was actually a Mod. So going back to the recent
incident, I had a healthy conversation with this person, and as both of us
are adults, we reached a point where we agreed to disagree. I have no
intention of trying a similar endeavor in the future in the same place and
I would imagine that he will most likely stop bugging me to use his Mod.
Simply put I won't walk on his lawn and I assume he will do the same
and neither of us have to worry about any behavior spreading elsewhere.

Why do I mention this? Because in the middle of that conversation with
the other person, BobBQ decided to revert to his bully Moderator behavior.

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Don't bring that shit in here.

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As if he was in charge and he is ordering me about. Nothing new from him
since I was already used to him hunting down my posts and demanding
things he wanted or starting arguments. I replied to him as follows:

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I'm not surprised to see you taking advantage of your usual habit of
interjecting yourself into things that have nothing to do with you. Let
no opportunity pass to display your smug and snarky attitude that let's
you feel above anything and assume the fabricated moral high ground.

However, like anything else in life you find unwanted or distasteful...
See a movie or TV show that you don't like? Change the channel. See a
book, magazine article or post on the internet you don't like? Don't read it.

No need to assume that you have a responsibility or requirement to mediate,
referee or play sheriff. Move along. Nothing to see here for the mentally delicate.

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which if you weren't aware of the many years of harassment he had been
giving me would sound like I went overboard for his simple decree of
authority. Now through out all this time, when BobBQ didn't get his way
he would throw a fit and demand from this Forum Moderator Don Reba
that he do something about me standing up to him. That Bully Moderator
attitude and that grudge his immaturity could not overlook, that he wanted
me out of the way any time I had a disagreement with anyone else that
with other people, never lasted and we always eventually worked out our
differences. The others were adults without grudges. BobBQ didn't see
each incident as a passing thing. He viewed every single interaction I had
as a whole, with him for the grudge, resentment and hatred that consumed
him. The most recent events were nothing more than that. Except this time
after enlisting another person to argue and fight with me, it backfired on both
of them for cherry picking my sentence, using half of it to argue with while
overlooking the other half of the sentence that clearly described my intent and
what I was saying. This apparently was the straw that broke the camel's back.

In his tantrum, in his anger, in his childish fit of rage and wanting to and
needing to lash out at something he decided to create a video representing
himself, which took time and shows that it was way more than just a simple
emotional outburst where you break something or bang your head in a matter of
seconds. This was an act that showed us he imagined himself doing some noble
and self-sacrificing act of placing personal object inside and setting fire to his
UAZ representing the GSC Forums and his YouTube Stalker content. He was
standing there with two other people, who they are I have no idea but a
good chance one was the buddy he just brought back to the Forums to
instigate a fight with me. This was his tantrum on a large scale. I'm now
leaving and I'm taking my YouTube channel with me. Most of us should
know by now, he re-activated it and claimed demand for it as being his
reason. I don't care about the reason. I'm just happy to see it back with
the great early work he did on the various Stalker builds and his strange
but humorous videos that I promoted. My personal opinion is that he is
not gone. He will return. Maybe once he cools off from his tantrum and
realizes how foolish all his actions were. I'm just waiting for the guy to
grow up one day, get over this silly grudge and stop shit-posting on me.
Him blaming me, blaming Don Reba our Moderator ( who wisely did not
give in to BobBQ's desire to have me banned for standing up to him that
did get heated sometimes ) is far removed from the reality of the situation.
Locking his YouTube post about this so others cannot comment, is exactly
the way he looks at things where he can dictate and you do not argue back.

Several people had messaged me with comments about this but did not
want to post those comments for fear of being targeted with a grudge
like he did to me. They too do not want to be the subject of a video
attack with disabled comments where they couldn't defend themselves.

I thought I would share one of those to give another viewpoint of the
situation and I thought it was well written describing things I felt too.


---QUOTATION---

Bob always came off as being extremely arrogant to me, or
else just so insecure that he pretended to be above everything.
Anytime he gave an opinion it was as if he was Moses relaying the
unquestionable Word of God to the unwashed masses from on high.

Meanwhile, he's putting a ton of effort into making these obtuse videos
for a small group of fans, some of whom love them with the rest being
fairly indifferent. His output had obviously been slowing down, and in
the end he used his grudge against you along with Don Reba's refusal to
capitulate to him as an excuse to finally give it up. And being the drama
queen that he is, he took a rather pathetic swipe at you on his way out.
I certainly won't miss him.

---END QUOTATION---



TS
  22:55:38  14 June 2017
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bdoomed
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You must understand that yours fights with everyone since years are boring.

And it's a good reason for your targets to leave these forums.


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I fully understand you defending him since the two of you are so much
alike. You both like to interject yourselves into things that have nothing
to do with you, make some type of snarky or smartass comment and then
sling a few insults as if you imagine yourselves to be witty and wonderful.
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My english is too bad to make 'smartass comment' and I don't remember about insults.
???


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you imagine yourselves to be witty and wonderful.
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No I'm a total loser like you, that's why I waste my time on videogames forums.

And I always insult people with a simley



As you do
  23:56:14  14 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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On forum: 05/12/2007
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An open letter to the Loner community from Duty's PR department

bdoomed~

It's pretty simple.

Don't like my boring posts? Don't read them.

Find them a good reason to leave the Forum? Then leave the Forum.

Don't remember your insults and then turn around and make another?

I can't help people with poor reading, writing & comprehension skills.

My advice to you if you don't like discussions, debates or arguments...

Don't keep interjecting yourself in the middle of one prolonging it.

TS
  04:18:57  19 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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On forum: 05/12/2007
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An open letter to the Loner community from Duty's PR department

Tejas Stalker:

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"...So going back to the recent incident, I had a healthy conversation
with this person, and as both of us are adults, we reached a point where
we agreed to disagree. I have no intention of trying a similar endeavor in
the future in the same place and I would imagine that he will most likely
stop bugging me to use his Mod. Simply put I won't walk on his lawn
and I assume he will do the same and neither of us have to worry about
any behavior spreading elsewhere."

---END QUOTATION---



I stand corrected. Everything that I said here about that other person and
assumed, I have now been proven wrong. Looks like I have another grudge.

TS
  11:09:05  19 June 2017
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Regarding your post, I have a saying: "The splinter you seek to remove from someone else's eye and the beam of wood in your own is usually the same kind of wood."

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Recently in another place on the Forum I made a simple greeting to
another Forum member I had known for 10 years and in return I was
exposed to their 10 year resentment towards me for not supporting their
Mod.
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I note that you didn't link the discussion you reference because it is exactly the opposite of what you claim. I told you over and over again: I appreciated your opposition because it helped make the ZRP more vanilla. It's you who was the one evidently upset by my observation that your vocal opposition helped promote the ZRP. The conversation (such as it was) started on page 338 of the ZRP thread:

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http://www.gsc-game.com/main.php?t=community&s=forums&s_game_type=xr&thm_id=11786&page=338&sec_id=16
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You continued:

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In those 10 years, that same person would follow my many posts
talking about playing SoC in various play throughs and they would constantly
interject that their Mod would fix this and that of things I mentioned. I
never let this bother me because I knew they were trying to be helpful
and I learned something at the same time. However their Mod was not
what I wanted that had been wrongly identified over time in the Community
as being bug fixes when it was actually a Mod.
---END QUOTATION---


It's always been a bug-fix mod. I'm amazed that you still won't let that go. Changing threads to repeat the error doesn't make it right. You are nit-picking on a very minor issue. Yes, I know it's major to you, but it's minor to everyone else. I have an opinion that our work has more validity as a patch than the official patches, because we know more about the game than the replacement developers who put out the patches.

Even you don't use the latest patches for SoC or CS.

---QUOTATION---
So going back to the recent
incident, I had a healthy conversation with this person, and as both of us
are adults, we reached a point where we agreed to disagree. I have no
intention of trying a similar endeavor in the future in the same place and
I would imagine that he will most likely stop bugging me to use his Mod.
Simply put I won't walk on his lawn and I assume he will do the same
and neither of us have to worry about any behavior spreading elsewhere.
---END QUOTATION---


The conversation was heated, not healthy; your name-calling is wrong and not conducive to a discussion. I have never "bugged" you or anyone to use the ZRP. I simply stated facts about what it was and what it did for the player. You would tell a player with the permanent radiation bug to go back to an earlier save, and I'd point out that he could save hours of replay by installing the ZRP which would instantly fix the bug when he loaded his last save.

As for the lawn-walking business, I never made any agreement with you -- I simply stopped answering your erroneous posts, which by then had moved past bad analogies into personal attacks. When I thanked others for pointing out the uselessness of my responses to your mind-made-up attitude and you then went after them, I realized that you would always want to have the last word, and your posts speak for themselves.

Show me where we agreed to disagree. You had this "apology":

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My mistake was thinking it would be something that could be done, a
barebones patch, not realizing I was dealing with other people's egos and
the perception that I was asking to cannibalize their intellectual property.
After all, what possible incentive could there be asking someone to reduce
the use of and decrease the fame and importance of their Mod with bug fixes
that already meets the barebones requirement and does more? Silly me, and
I see the error of my ways and I won't be asking for something no one wants
to deliver. My apologies for being a butt about this and not understanding that.
---END QUOTATION---


That's really not an apology. You ignored my answer and pretended it was my ego even though I pointed out that it wasn't practical: there was/is no consensus on what was a bug. The ZRP already let you decide what to keep and what to leave out, with just a little setup process. You wanted me to do a lot more work for your specific definition because you didn't want to trouble yourself to configure your game. Even MrSeyker pointed out that no one really wanted a bug-fix mod, and you praised him for what amounted to the same observation as mine.

Anyway, I was leaving you alone -- and then you dragged me back in here with your strange interpretation of what went down between us, giving me a convenient point of entry to defend someone who won't defend himself.

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Why do I mention this? Because in the middle of that conversation with
the other person, BobBQ decided to revert to his bully Moderator behavior.
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It wasn't in the middle, it was when you first started. I said I agreed with his sentiment; you were bringing out your frustration with the ZRP (that it's not a pure bug-fix patch) in the ZRP thread instead of starting a new thread. I note that he didn't add anything else to the thread. He attempted to reach Don Reba to no avail. I don't think Don Reba is accessible at the moment, or he would have censured BobBQ's post -- and every one of your posts that involved personal attacks. (Insulting my wife, Tejas Stalker? My wife?)

From my perspective, you are in violation of the clause relating to abusive and offensive content:

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"Messages/threads with abusive and offensive content addressed to any user or site administration will be deleted/locked at discretion of the administration without any notice."
Source: http://gsc-game.com/index.php?t=community&s=forums&mode=register&action=view_rules
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There is a proverb: "The kisses of an enemy are abundant, but faithful are the wounds of a friend." I attempted to give you constructive criticism as a friend, albeit badly-timed; I didn't realize how much you really weren't a friend. I had only addressed your content and tried to help you to understand how your attitude was the problem, but instead of considering that, you engaged in specious off-the-wall arguments and insultingly addressed my character and that of others on GSC, on Reddit, and even a member of my family who has nothing to do with you.

You just won't let this go. BobBQ isn't going to respond to your continuing personal attacks on him. But I'm not going to sacrifice my freedom to defend the right of anyone to hold an opinion different than yours or anyone else's, just for the sake of peace.

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I stand corrected. Everything that I said here about that other person and
assumed, I have now been proven wrong. Looks like I have another grudge.
---END QUOTATION---


I didn't mean to blindside you. I started composing a reply, stopped to finish a home-improvement project, took a break and answered a few questions on Reddit.

Why can't you just let your beef with BobBQ go? He has the right to do whatever he wishes with his intellectual property. It may have been in frustration over the lack of moderation of your posts, but he can do what he wants. Your cartoon was mean and not at all reflective of the truth: You were the one to figuratively stick a stick between the spokes. There's no moderation at the moment and you both should have been censored, so he decided to move on. He's not bothering you any more.

And why do you have to consider "snarky" anyone who makes a simple observation as bdoomed did? Is it because the opinion expressed differs from your own? Why is that such a problem for you? Why didn't you follow your own advice about just ignoring it? It's just banter, and definitely not as insulting as your cartoon was.
  11:11:59  19 June 2017
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An open letter to the Loner community from Duty's PR department

And that my friends is a grudge from a petty and trivial person.

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