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  22:42:52  30 April 2004
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baff
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ghost recon a multinational team of spec ops operating nowhere near america using a multinational selection of guns.
rainbow six. the same.

max payne uses guns readily available on the domestic american market. most of them are american. maybe desert eagle and ak 47 are not.

counterstrike, is based in america? is it? i thought it was just a load of maps some guns and a fight. i didn't realise it had a theme. and even if it is, all the weapons used are readily available in america.

conflict desert storm. haven't played the game, but my recollection of history is that this was a united nations operation and comprised of a multinational force with a multinational variety of weapons.


americas army only allows you to select american weapons. so does socom, and delta force bhd joint ops, kuma war etc. op flash has the americans with only american gear and the russians with russian only gear.

there is no "multinational weapons" available in Mohaa or Cod or Rtcw. they are themed games. you get what fits with the scenario. and u.s. weapons don't fit with the stalker scenario.
i'm not bashing american weapons. i love tommy guns and 1911's and the ar series of rifle is very competant. doesn't mean i want to see them in a game about chernobyl.


i want american guns because i want american guns and i will pay for the game IS the only valid reason i can see. i can't argue with that.
except to say i've paid for the game already and I don't want any american guns, i'm hoping for something a little fresher and more inspired.

most of germany was part of the u.s.s.r. (i think) so german weapons in the scenario seem feasable. although i too am bored of psg 1 and mp5 and would prefer to see something new.

as for tactical.
i really hope it will be.
although i am expecting more far cry/half life action.

  22:59:23  30 April 2004
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  23:26:49  30 April 2004
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Okay, so S.T.A.L.K.E.R. does require skill, I give you that. But, I was refeing to tactical gun shootouts and such in The Zone. I want those from the army only. I don't think having all stalkers ready with the army's shootout tactics to be a reasonable thing, rather have them use guerilla (spelling) fighting and instincts, more suitable for people who's most important thing in The Zone is surviving not hunting down others methodically.
  09:57:55  5 May 2004
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most of germany was in the u.s.s.r.? god beware!
the smaller part of germany was occupied by the russian after ww2 and they graded it down to "farmland" with some industry.
there were no east german weapons, only russian ak's for militairs and maybe own produced sidearms for the police.
the soviets knew that no one wanted to stay in the DDR; it was impossible to get a legal gun as a civilian, you could start a revolution with it or shoot down the guard at the fence.

all the great german weapons come from west germany.


but the fact that there are only russian weapons is stupid. there are enough possibilities to smuggle weapons into the soviet union and it's not harder to smuggle a G36 into the zone than a LR 300.
the fact that the soldiers use AK's makes the AK's much cheapoer because their are in the zone and only have to be "collected" from dead soldiers, but all other weapons are very expensive and rare.


i don't need american weapons in the game, the german (H&K) and belgique (FN) are good enough.
  20:30:31  5 May 2004
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americas army only allows you to select american weapons. so does socom, and delta force bhd joint ops, kuma war etc. op flash has the americans with only american gear and the russians with russian only gear.

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Incorrect sir, Americans Army (A game specfically placing you in as a US army trooper) Has had since its conceptions the AK-47 with GP-30 laucher and RPK (Even though their RPK is using a DPK 100 round drum?), you just had to pick it up off the dead with a virtual penalty for being unfamiliar with the weapon. With the Special Forces addition you can now SPAWN with the newly added AK-74SU with attachments such as a grenade laucher, suppressor, 4x scope or , mil dot reflector as well as the RPK.
  20:31:02  5 May 2004
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most of germany was in the u.s.s.r.? god beware!
the smaller part of germany was occupied by the russian after ww2 and they graded it down to "farmland" with some industry.
there were no east german weapons, only russian ak's for militairs and maybe own produced sidearms for the police.
the soviets knew that no one wanted to stay in the DDR; it was impossible to get a legal gun as a civilian, you could start a revolution with it or shoot down the guard at the fence.

all the great german weapons come from west germany.


but the fact that there are only russian weapons is stupid. there are enough possibilities to smuggle weapons into the soviet union and it's not harder to smuggle a G36 into the zone than a LR 300.
the fact that the soldiers use AK's makes the AK's much cheapoer because their are in the zone and only have to be "collected" from dead soldiers, but all other weapons are very expensive and rare.


i don't need american weapons in the game, the german (H&K) and belgique (FN) are good enough.
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  00:30:22  6 May 2004
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Ghost Recon is supposed to be focused on some 'Elite US military unit called the Ghosts' notice that the initial characters in the game are American (I think there's a british guy too, the 2nd one you can unlock or something).

Conflict: Desert Storm places you specifically as a British SAS or American (SEALs or Rangers, can't remember) team, where you can pick up Russian based guns that the Iraqis have (love my SVD...or the Marakov in the 2nd one).

Max Payne 2 has foreign weapons, just like I said, and you said which proves the point I was trying to make in the post (not all American based games have only American weapons).

Operation Flashpoint allows you to pick up the Russian AK-74s and RPGs and other weapons, you just can't spawn with them (the US army isn't going to hand out foreign weapons to its soldiers...). Kindof the same with America's Army.

The example with Counter-Strike (Firearms would be a better example) would be the acceptance and use of weapons from all over the world in a single game where they fit perfectly fine (there are actually more Russian weapons in FA then any other country (if I remember right)). Pretty sure both of them are made by American's or Canadians.


Still, I wont use the American weapons (except as trophies ), but that doesn't mean that it would be impossible or inprobable that someone would bring them into the zone. They're perfectlly legitimate in a politcal and feasible sense.
  02:09:02  6 May 2004
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I cant actually think of a game that uses only American Weapons.


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Great weapon.
  21:17:33  6 May 2004
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I've yet to see a game that uses the SA80.

Though come to think of it that's probably a good thing
  02:09:22  7 May 2004
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i can't think of a game that only uses American weapons either.

SA80
Ghost Recon has the sa80
Ravenshield too.

Ghost Recon
Dieter Munz is German. he has a German gun. the British guy (Tommy?) has a British gun and so on. the American guys have American issue weapons.
according to the website the Ghosts are a NATO unit. the U.S. is not mentioned.
FYI the largest contributers to NATO are the Turks (who use Russian guns maybe?).

Americas Army
what i said about Americas Army stands. you can only select American issue guns.
you may pick up enemy weapons however. (unfortunately, in the case of Stalker, the enemies are likely to be Soviet just like you)

Desert Storm
whoever you play in operation Desert Storm, the internationality of the enterprise places many foreign weapons (and armies) in theatre. the scenario feasably allows for them to be there. (i haven't actually played this game, i'm just going by what you told me). to the best of my understanding of the Stalker scenario, there will be no foriegn armies in theatre.

Max Payne
Max Payne is set in America. and hence only uses guns domestically available in America.
that fact that foreign guns are domestically available in America, doesn't imply the reverse in those foreign nations that America buys guns from.

Germany vs the U.S. as a likely smuggling route
smuggling a weapon from the U.S. to the U.S.S.R. will be MUCH more difficult than smuggling a weapon from Germany.
due to Germany being a recent member of the U.S.S.R. many Sov's will have personal connections to people in that country (former Sov's for example, troops will have been stationed there. families inter-married etc etc). criminals do not advertise in the yellow pages, the more contacts you have, the more likely you are to find a partner in crime. also it is physically closer, with less borders to cross.
negotiations are less likely to have a language barrier.
while it may be possible to smuggle from the U.S. it is not very likely. infact unlike Germany, it is highly unfeasable.
however since the U.S.S.R. is awash with it's own domestic arms, routinely swapped by unpaid soldiers for drugs and booze, the likelyhood of anyone bothering to smuggle them from anywhere at all, (where there is no market demand) is tiny in the extreme. more likely is that the drugs to swap with the troops for the guns are smuggled in from abroad.
similarly, no one smuggles cocaine into Columbia

German made guns
since East and West Germany are now united, and Germans can travel freely between the two, the physical geography of any weapons factories within Germany's border are no longer relevant.

Operation Flashpoint and looting enemy weapons in general
as for looting Sov weapons off of dead Sov's, that would hold up in Stalker.
if, however, you were expecting to find a load of dead American soldiers at Chernobyl to loot from ..........

obviously that isn't going to be the case.
 
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