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  19:27:19  12 August 2004
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SDXY
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On forum: 08/11/2004
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I'd like to add my bit about the X800's and 6800's:

Basicly since these cards have arrived its no longer about compatibility or how many frames per second, these cards are both beasts and run games seriously fast. But its about image quality these days (IQ). The X800 is slightly slower than the 6800 but has far better image quality, the 6800 is faster but as you guessed has lower image quality. Also the X800 is cheaper than the 6800, which in a basic sence concludes the x800 as the best.

If you can't afford a X800 or 6800 then ATI are the way to go, either a 9800Pro or a 9800Pro XT.
  01:49:55  1 October 2004
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Vash
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On forum: 10/01/2004
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Radeon X800 XT is not cheaper then Geforce 6800...especialy Platinum edition and whoever said X800 has better quality your wrong! Geforce supports pixer and vortex shaders 3.0 which actualy DX9 supports but X800 uses 2.0 version which is pritty old but the speed of X800 card is much faster but on games like Doom 3 and this game GeForce will have the advantage in both quality (pixel and vortex shaders 3.0) and speed (Radeon may have a speed problem on high power demanding games like Doom 3) Unfortunatley only about 10 games support pixel and vortex shaders 3.0 so Nvidia is probably hoping to have a long use for the new NV40 but Radeon actualy added some new features but it still doesn't compete with version 3.0 shaders...ok thats enough

ps. X800 XT platinum Edition costs more then GeForce 6800 but it only comes in PCI express...
  02:28:11  1 October 2004
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Don Reba
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On forum: 12/04/2002
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Radeon X800 XT is not cheaper then Geforce 6800...especialy Platinum edition and whoever said X800 has better quality your wrong! Geforce supports pixer and vortex shaders 3.0 which actualy DX9 supports but X800 uses 2.0 version which is pritty old but the speed of X800 card is much faster but on games like Doom 3 and this game GeForce will have the advantage in both quality (pixel and vortex shaders 3.0) and speed (Radeon may have a speed problem on high power demanding games like Doom 3) Unfortunatley only about 10 games support pixel and vortex shaders 3.0 so Nvidia is probably hoping to have a long use for the new NV40 but Radeon actualy added some new features but it still doesn't compete with version 3.0 shaders...ok thats enough

ps. X800 XT platinum Edition costs more then GeForce 6800 but it only comes in PCI express...
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Lol, vortex shaders.
Shaders 3.0 have nothing to do with quality. They can potentially improve performance. Otherwise, there is not much use for them.
Actually, ATI seems to benifit the most from NVIDIA's pixel shaders. No game is going to seriously use those for a long time yet. Even pixel shaders 2.0 are not widespread. So ATI can take its time and release a card with support for shaders 3.0 when they actually start to matter. Meanwhile, developers can develop and study using NVIDIA's cards.
  04:24:47  1 October 2004
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Stiler
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On forum: 05/20/2003
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Radeon X800 XT is not cheaper then Geforce 6800...especialy Platinum edition and whoever said X800 has better quality your wrong! Geforce supports pixer and vortex shaders 3.0 which actualy DX9 supports but X800 uses 2.0 version which is pritty old but the speed of X800 card is much faster but on games like Doom 3 and this game GeForce will have the advantage in both quality (pixel and vortex shaders 3.0) and speed (Radeon may have a speed problem on high power demanding games like Doom 3) Unfortunatley only about 10 games support pixel and vortex shaders 3.0 so Nvidia is probably hoping to have a long use for the new NV40 but Radeon actualy added some new features but it still doesn't compete with version 3.0 shaders...ok thats enough

ps. X800 XT platinum Edition costs more then GeForce 6800 but it only comes in PCI express...Lol, vortex shaders.
Shaders 3.0 have nothing to do with quality. They can potentially improve performance. Otherwise, there is not much use for them.
Actually, ATI seems to benifit the most from NVIDIA's pixel shaders. No game is going to seriously use those for a long time yet. Even pixel shaders 2.0 are not widespread. So ATI can take its time and release a card with support for shaders 3.0 when they actually start to matter. Meanwhile, developers can develop and study using NVIDIA's
cards.
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Umm, if I'm not mistaken, Stalker is going to use 3.0 shaders....at least i'm pretty sure they've mentioned it a few times in the videos, like the DX9 video from a while back.
  04:32:20  1 October 2004
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Don Reba
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Yes, it is. And also I very highly doubt that they will make a noticable difference in anything.
Considering their partnership with NVIDIA, it only makes sence that they would recompile some of the shaders for the checkmark if it is does not take much effort.
  00:36:25  2 October 2004
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Vash
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On forum: 10/01/2004
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Your all very wrong

I cheched the diffrence between shaders and here look

http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA4Mjc0ODY3M0szQ2kwQU9QejlfMV82X2wuanBn

I hope you all enjoy to see how wrong you all are about shaders well this one actualy compares to 1.1 version unfortunatly they don't show pictures of shader 2.0 and 3.0 with the same play but you can check here ...

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjA5

Now I hope you all don't EVER ARGUE WITH ME OR BE PROVED WRONG!...lol so do you all see now the diffrence? and most good games like halo are supported by 1.1, 1.4, 2.0 all 3 of those can be supported by 1 game depending on what your hardware supports but only a handful of games support 3.0 so far and here is the list...

Lord of the Rings, Battle For Middle-earth
STALKER: Shadows of Chernobyl
Vampire: Bloodlines
Splinter Cell X
Tiger Woods 2005
Madden 2005
Driver 3
Grafan
Painkiller
FarCry

And most games support 2.0 now so now I hope your all happy AND NEVER ARGUE WITH ME AGAIN! lol I know my hardware and sofrware


  01:34:54  2 October 2004
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Don Reba
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Vash
That's just it. The differences between Shaders 1.1 and 2.0 are enormous, while the differences between 2.0 and 3.0 are small.
So in fact you have proven nothing.
  16:18:33  2 October 2004
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Vash
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On forum: 10/01/2004
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WRONG

Those pictures compare 3.0 with 1.1 not 2.0 with 1.1 infact 2.0 and 1.1 are almost the same thing and people who played games like halo and max payne 2 should know! but I don't really care if you all like video cards with 2.0 versions or 3.0...I don't like Nvidia personally but I like GeForce 6800 Ultra but you can do whatever you want...
  17:51:25  2 October 2004
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Don Reba
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Just look in the DX9 specs, and decide for yourself if the difference is large or not.
  22:30:46  2 October 2004
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Vash
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On forum: 10/01/2004
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See for yourself...


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Just look in the DX9 specs, and decide for yourself if the difference is large or not.
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http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/winhec/partners/shadermodel30_NVIDIA.mspx

Here...I think there is a big diffrence between them so why don't you make like a tree and get out of here...learn something about hardware or something...
 
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