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  00:02:14  15 December 2008
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demontrace
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On forum: 11/24/2007
 

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12/15/2008 0:10:55
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Hey Shadow, I'm back again, from a long time ago. Since way back when I have upgraded my computer, and now I'm able to use the fully dynamic lighting, and the DX9 weather. It's definitely a big change, and if I thought it was dark before, it's even darker now. And yet somehow more visible with the flashlight.

I come at you with two familiar problems, that are repeating themselves.

One is with how dark it is, but I can live with that one, actually. As I said, with the new lighting, something things still seem somewhat visible, ESPECIALLY if I turn the contrast down to about middle. I'm usually someone that turns contrast and brightness up to their max. They work well together, and bright stuff is really bright, and dark stuff is REALLY dark. Makes an atmosphere more spooky too.
THAT DOESN'T WORK IN STALKER!! It's already spooky enough, making it so I can't see my enemies, but they can most definitely see me, makes a hard game downright frustrating.
With my current settings, the game is definitely playable. Oh, and this is coming from the beginning, a new game, without any of the nice weapons, or night vision, or anything else.

Now, the REAL problem is one I've brought up before. It's the dragging. I can't drag my corpses once again. I'm going to go try to change the take distance, or drag distance, or whatever the variable was before to see if that fixes it. But back then, you gave me some code to replace the current code from back then. Well you said that'd all be updated by 1.05. I have 1.05, with the 2 hotfixes.
I tried to replace the current code in that area with the code from the message that had worked before, and changed the take distance to a level I had it at before that worked when I played before. This led to the game crashing everytime I tried to boot it up.

I overwrote all the gamedata files and tried again. I mean, reinstalled the packs, and everything, started over.
Game works again. This time I'm going to try to change just the take distance, and see if that fixes it. I don't know why I always get this problem. Maybe it has to do with my configuration.
CTRL is ALWAYS CROUCH for me
SHIFT is LOW CROUCH, and E is my ACTIVATE key.

So I have to hit Shift+E to drag a body. Doing this allows me to not have to crouch down to drag, I can just walk with a corpse. It's a LITTLE quicker.


EDIT: Okay, changing Take_Dist didn't help out. I even changed it to 3.5, and that didn't fix it. It's gotta be something to do with the weight of bodies perhaps. I remember us talking about that, and then I think you changed the code a bit, and suddenly I could move bodies again. Unfortunately it's been 3 days since you've been on here, so I might be waiting a bit, lol.
  09:59:59  15 December 2008
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Storm Shadow
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On forum: 11/14/2007
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Hey DT, good to see you in this thread with your detailed feedback again, I appreciate that, cheers.

Reb 1.05 is majorly bugged, you will discover this once you get passed the bar. As you can see from my last post, that is what I am most concerned with at the mo. However, I do have a few suggestions for you that may help:

1. Overly dark nights. Due to the fact that everyone who plays this mod will have a different configuration of video card, drivers and monitor, the settings that look awesome on my setup may not be ideal for others. However there is a couple of things you can try:

a. Download the SWO 2.2 and use only the night presets that you prefer (from memory, I think I chose the darkest possible settings, other than pitch black nights), I really should've included these as options in my release.
[link]http://stalker.filefront.com/file/STALKER_Weather_Overhauled;89293[/link]

b. open your console by pressing the tilde button ~ and experiment with the variables of these commands:
r2_sun_lumscale 0.7
r2_sun_lumscale_amb 2.6
r2_sun_lumscale_hemi 1.8


2. Dragging, don't use that code I gave you for the last version. Set the take distance to your liking, but it won;t effect dragging. I don't know why it dosn't work on your set-up, it works sweet for me. Is anybody else having this problem?

It may be you key set up, I use: Shift = Crouch, Ctrl = Low Crouch and F = Use. One thing, you can try using the user.ltx from v1.05 (not the one in 1.05.1 or 1.05.2), as the only thing changed is that I forgot to remove all my own key bindings in the 1st one, you can try them to see if its key bindings that are the problem. (the only other diff, is that the resolution is set to 1900 x 1200)

Hit me back once you've tried all these options out. Shadow.
  13:13:08  15 December 2008
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Kaine
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On forum: 04/05/2007
 

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12/15/2008 13:17:09
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Just started a new game with Rb + Photorealistic + Sky4CE2.0b4.1(or something) and loving it.

EXCEPT THE MUSIC

JESUS WHAT THE FUCK. The music that goes when doing the car park mission. I can't turn it down I can't turn it off I CAN'T HEAR A GOD DAMN THING. Got killed about 3 times in a row because my spatial awareness was absolutely fucked by this music.

Please release a patch to turn it off and any other music like it. Wouldn't be so bad if it responded to the volume controls but it seems to have a complete life of its own!!!

Otherwise fantastic. Weapons feel great, hunger works well (except food is maybe a tad expensive?) The economy is coming along well. I am a big proponent of the Redux style economy where stuff is fairly expensive and traders have (very) limited money so you have to barter for what you need.

Highly recommend newest Sky4CE. Works wonders with Photorealistic Zone (Argus texture pack). Most convincing parallax and bump mapping I've seen anywhere ever. Loving the new hands skin btw.
  17:47:28  15 December 2008
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Gnomus
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---QUOTATION---
Just started a new game with Rb + Photorealistic + Sky4CE2.0b4.1(or something) and loving it.

EXCEPT THE MUSIC

JESUS WHAT THE FUCK. The music that goes when doing the car park mission. I can't turn it down I can't turn it off I CAN'T HEAR A GOD DAMN THING. Got killed about 3 times in a row because my spatial awareness was absolutely fucked by this music.

Please release a patch to turn it off and any other music like it. Wouldn't be so bad if it responded to the volume controls but it seems to have a complete life of its own!!!

Otherwise fantastic. Weapons feel great, hunger works well (except food is maybe a tad expensive?) The economy is coming along well. I am a big proponent of the Redux style economy where stuff is fairly expensive and traders have (very) limited money so you have to barter for what you need.

Highly recommend newest Sky4CE. Works wonders with Photorealistic Zone (Argus texture pack). Most convincing parallax and bump mapping I've seen anywhere ever. Loving the new hands skin btw.
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Hi Kaine, I had the same issues with the music. So I just took the folder called gamedata\sounds\soundtrack and disabled it. That has worked so far. THough I do notice there is still music playing in other places that I would prefer not to have but it is very quiet so it hasn't been such a pain.
  09:29:21  16 December 2008
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Storm Shadow
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On forum: 11/14/2007
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Hey Guys, I need someone to test a file and tell me whether or not you still get the save / load bug (not sure if a new game will be required or not):
[link]http://www.mediafire.com/?2th3qexoqyt[/link]

Kaine, good to see you in here man. I hadn't noticed that music being to load before, it seams sweet as on my x-fi. So I played again today, and yeah, it is a bit load aye, I can see how that would be annoying. The volume for it is beyond my control, let me know if Gnomus' work around does the trick for ya.

You are right, the food is very expensive, this is so you will be forced to hunt animals for extra food. This would of course worked a lot better had you been able to eat crows that've been shot down, a feature I worked long on, but simply can't be done without a new meshe.

Feel free to release a compat pack for the new shaders and photorealistic stuff, as the screen shots in that thread look simply amazing. Would you be so kind as to post some screens of it merged with reb. Also, did you notice that the reb shaders are using some CS water shader mod, are you still using those files (can't remember which shader files are responsible for that)
(here it is: [link]http://stalker.filefront.com/file/Stalker_Forever_Water_Shaders;95346[/link])

DT, you are right, I rarked up reb again today and I can't drag bodies properly either, it is abit funny. I'm not sure but I think it has something to do with what you are carrying and the angle you try and drag from. I really don;'t know how to fix this, good news tho, NPCs can still drag bodies sweet as.

Shadow.
  12:43:38  16 December 2008
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Kaine
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12/16/2008 12:49:39
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I will try that out mate. Noticed the body dragging as well, didn't matter how I tried it, just couldn't do it (bloodsucker and crow corpse. will try with other types)

I just used SMM to merge Sky4CE and Photorealistic in and set them both as a higher priority than Reb. Worked a treat and looks fantastic. Haven't got far enough to see water yet but I'm fairly sure Sky4CE would've overwritten any other shaders. Not sure what Sky4CE does for water, I might rush through to Garbage tonight and see how it looks.

Another quick note, the Kill the Bloodsucker mission in Cordon was broken for me. Could take the mission from the guy under the overpass fine but when I went to find the bloodsucker all I could find was a dead one in an anomaly. Not sure if there's anything you can do about it but thought it warranted a mention. Really wanted that Mosin Nagant & ammo too

If I make any significant changes I'll let you know. Would love to contribute. Big thing on my agenda is tweaking the economy to approach my ideal of the Redux setup. I see bartering as absolutely vital to a fun and immersive STALKER experience. I do like what you've done with stalker trading re;buy/sell limitations and prices.
  17:51:56  16 December 2008
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Lucian04
Inglorious Bastard
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On forum: 02/10/2008
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Love the Mod Shadow State, I've been waiting for this to release for quite some time. Now that I have my back log out of the way, I can come back to enjoying Stalker for another year to come


I only have one issue with your modification and it is this:


MICRO STUTTERING


While playing Vanilla with ZRP, I do not get such stuttering, hell even Oblivion Lost with the Arsenal update doesn't give me this issue anymore since I upgraded. But with you modification unless I turn my grass off, disabled R2AA & Motionblur as well reduce my AF to around 8x, I get Microstuttering every 30 seconds. It's not stupid near unnoticeable micro stuttering like Fallout 3 either, it's obscene like super Herky Jerky stuttering. And the sad thing is that I'm doing around 90fps no problem and haven't gotten any frame dips below 80fps in the last 6 hours I've played the game.

Do you know of anything to remedy this issue?
  22:22:12  17 December 2008
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demontrace
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On forum: 11/24/2007
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---QUOTATION---
Hey DT, good to see you in this thread with your detailed feedback again, I appreciate that, cheers.

Reb 1.05 is majorly bugged, you will discover this once you get passed the bar. As you can see from my last post, that is what I am most concerned with at the mo. However, I do have a few suggestions for you that may help:

1. Overly dark nights. Due to the fact that everyone who plays this mod will have a different configuration of video card, drivers and monitor, the settings that look awesome on my setup may not be ideal for others. However there is a couple of things you can try:

a. Download the SWO 2.2 and use only the night presets that you prefer (from memory, I think I chose the darkest possible settings, other than pitch black nights), I really should've included these as options in my release.
[link]http://stalker.filefront.com/file/STALKER_Weather_Overhauled;89293[/link]

b. open your console by pressing the tilde button ~ and experiment with the variables of these commands:
r2_sun_lumscale 0.7
r2_sun_lumscale_amb 2.6
r2_sun_lumscale_hemi 1.8


2. Dragging, don't use that code I gave you for the last version. Set the take distance to your liking, but it won;t effect dragging. I don't know why it dosn't work on your set-up, it works sweet for me. Is anybody else having this problem?

It may be you key set up, I use: Shift = Crouch, Ctrl = Low Crouch and F = Use. One thing, you can try using the user.ltx from v1.05 (not the one in 1.05.1 or 1.05.2), as the only thing changed is that I forgot to remove all my own key bindings in the 1st one, you can try them to see if its key bindings that are the problem. (the only other diff, is that the resolution is set to 1900 x 1200)

Hit me back once you've tried all these options out. Shadow.
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I dunno how much I'm going to mess around with the brightness and downloading another weather mod. Right now things work, and it's really not THAT dark. Besides, as long as I mess around with the contrast, brightness, and gamma settings, I can make a config that works for me.

As for the dragging issue, was a little interesting, and I'm glad you mentioned the 1.05 user.ltx
I put that user.ltx file in my stalker-shok directory, and overwrote the old one, went into the game, and tried dragging a body with your settings, and after a couple of tries, I actually picked up the body.

What's really nice, is that I went into the settings, then changed them back to what I use, and those worked as well. Maybe it's just that user.ltx file, and maybe something is wrong with 1.05.02 user.ltx, or maybe something is wrong with it just with my system, I dunno. Two different systems on my end, yet the same user, and the same problem, yet again, no one else seems to go through this. Maybe it's just my settings, and maybe it wants to see your settings before I go around changing them to mine.

In any case, I can fully enjoy stalker once again, and with the new system, this game is sweeter than ever. HUGE change in how the anomalies display as well. Before with DX8 on my old card, they were easy to spot, now they seem to blend in a bit better.
  20:16:47  20 December 2008
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demontrace
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On forum: 11/24/2007
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OMG I can't catch a break from this game.

Now I can't even play the game anymore. It just crashes everytime I try to start it. I deleted it, and reinstalled, along with the mods, and it still crashes when I try to start it.

xr_3da.exe causes breakpoint in module xrcore.dll

is the error I get. I guess the only thing I can try now is delete the game again, along with the mods, and everything. Then reinstall the game, try running it with no mods. Then reinstall the mods, try running it again. Then finally edit the files a bit to make sure the dragging works.

I dunno if you guys have any ideas. Or if any of you have heard of this error? I know this is the same error that plagued me before, that made me quit the game. Only reinstalled because of the new parts in my rig, but this bug is really getting old, and I'm not sure what does it.
  22:10:03  20 December 2008
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Don Reba
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Reinstalling the game does not get you anywhere. Mods only put files into the gamedata folder and some mods change your save files.
 
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