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  08:12:20  24 June 2017
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Audioave10
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I picked up Black Mesa for 7.49.
  10:48:32  24 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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Seems to me if Steam can track how many hours you spend in each of
your Games you play, they are capable of tracking any data they want.

TS
  12:43:36  24 June 2017
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nashathedog
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I only knew I earned 3 achievements after finishing the game and checking for them.
That's what I mean, games send data to the Steam server that you can later view in the Steam browser.
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My mistake, I get what you mean now but I don't think a game having or not having achievements is going to change anything, They're all doing it, Look at Nvidia and too a lesser extent AMD who also force you to give them access to your on-line habits with the software now packaged with the drivers, Nvidia won't let you use their game ready drivers without registering and using the Geforce experience software.
It's the same story with the Win 10 O.S, It's all spyware nowadays

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STEAM

Seems to me if Steam can track how many hours you spend in each of
your Games you play, they are capable of tracking any data they want.

TS
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I'm relatively new to the Internet with my first foray being in 2011 when I joined this forum, In the few years leading up to 2011 I developed a growing hatred for Steam because so many games I wanted to buy at my local PC shop required a Steam install. Then when I did get the internet I tried to avoid using Steam and Uplay etc but in the end I realised it's no longer possible and if you can't beat them you might as well join them.
  17:14:05  24 June 2017
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Three Mile Island
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This kind tracking sometimes ruins the joy of playing. Especially in games with black or white moral choices I occasionally find myself thinking "how will me doing this-or-that affect my personality profile at Stasi/Steam/EA?", instead of just enjoying the game as is and doing whatever I want in it. Hopefully very few players are as paranoid as me, otherwise certain "progressive" game developers would have a field day...
  03:38:26  26 June 2017
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Tejas Stalker
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Some Games require you to be a homicidal killer like I was in Postal 2.
However Games like the Stalker series allow you to choose the path you
walk without damning consequences like perhaps the Deus Ex games do.

One thing I greatly appreciate ( that others have not liked ) is the ability
to play complete from beginning to end Games of Clear Sky and Call of
Pripyat without killing a single Bandit. Of course you can choose otherwise
and the Faction relations in both Games may prevent you access to some
Traders and Repair Techs in Clear Sky or Achievements in Call of Pripyat.

Rather than being a judgmental thing, they actually afford variance in
replayability which promotes being able to see changes and the different
consequences of your action and the outcomes of those without Modding.
However no matter which of the Games you play, if you kill an ally or friend
because you covet their weapon, then it can be a matter of morality. In those
cases I try to behave as I would in real life. Why kill an ally or friend for his
weapon when you can just simply follow them around and get it if an enemy
or a mutant kills them and you aren't put in a position of being immoral?

That being said, any statistics being gathered by Steam would be used in
a manner to show what Games would be popular to sell and not any type
of individual statement on people. Steam is interested in selling content
and not analyzing content to say this person is bad and this one is good.

TS
  18:43:13  26 June 2017
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nashathedog
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This kind tracking sometimes ruins the joy of playing. Especially in games with black or white moral choices I occasionally find myself thinking "how will me doing this-or-that affect my personality profile at Stasi/Steam/EA?", instead of just enjoying the game as is and doing whatever I want in it. Hopefully very few players are as paranoid as me, otherwise certain "progressive" game developers would have a field day...
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You do sound paranoid and I think you're a bit more worried than you need to be,
I don't believe Steam etc do such an in-depth snoop, They're just trying to figure out what they might be able to sell us next.
What goes on outside of the games we play and the big platform providers is where there's more of a problem, We do get spied on when online but if you don't do anything wrong why worry?
I'm not a militant or extremist, I've never illegally downloaded movies or music, (I suppose music's debatable due to so many mods using copyrighted tracks), Other than that the worst I've done is watch a bit of free Porn, Mainstream stuff nothing out of the ordinary so I don't really worry about spying, I worry about identity theft and fraud but I use the full Norton package and hope that does it's job which so far it has. With a yearly £70 subscription it blooming well should.


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STEAM
Steam is interested in selling content
and not analyzing content to say this person is bad and this one is good.

TS

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Considering how many people like playing as a member of the Bandit's in COC I imagine the majority of people would come across like a bunch of sadistic murdering bastards.
  01:41:21  27 June 2017
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Three Mile Island
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if you kill an ally or friend because you covet their weapon, then it can be a matter of morality.
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Also just shooting someone makes it less of a challenge. Stalker is still a relatively simple game regarding morality gameplay mechanics, and I don't think the more subtle morals of our general playing styles would be possible to track by software.

In comparison, several side quest in Skyrim actually require you to find NPCs that trust you and then betray and kill them --if you don't play along with this it's sometimes not possible to finish the quests. In such games it would be easier to track which players that actually finish the quest and which that refuse --but then again maybe the quest writer's morality should be questioned first of all, since he's the one that encourages immoral behavior.

Then there are more sensitive topics, such as ethnic or sexual minority NPCs. For example, consider an officially straight family father that secretly enjoys male gay romances in Mass Effect 3. Such a player might feel uncomfortable knowing that ME3 by default reports about his playing style to Bioware, perhaps so much that it inhibits his playing style, which is probably not what Bioware had in mind.

Other players may feel annoyed by games that too obviously try to create sympathy for minorities. Especially among male teenagers I imagine that such lecturing can easily backfire as homophobia or racism, but since the writer probably won't realize his own failure as an unsolicited nanny, the uploaded gameplay data might be interpreted as a flood of real bigotry from the players, which must then be fought with even more lecturing in the next game.
  01:47:06  27 June 2017
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Three Mile Island
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I don't believe Steam etc do such an in-depth snoop, They're just trying to figure out what they might be able to sell us next.
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Don't know about Steam, but my impression is that snooping companies try to grab as much as they can as a matter of principle. Storage is inexpensive and they never know beforehand if it can be valuable somehow later on. Even then it's probably harmless in most cases, but databases do get stolen now and then.


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if you don't do anything wrong why worry
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I don't do anything naughty either (not even in games), it's just the uneasy feeling you get knowing that someone is actively monitoring you, wether it's done by people in real life or by software. There's certainly a huge difference between say a curious toddler looking at you, or a madman staring through your window. Not sure where on the scale I would place internet companies though.
  08:25:32  27 June 2017
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Maiman
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On forum: 01/22/2008
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Thread theme?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YvAYIJSSZY

Anyways, I figure you're going to get spied on for literally everything these days. It doesn't affect my gameplay, even when it's obviously reporting what I'm doing directly back to the game developer. Though I admit, there is a certain uneasy feeling when you know people are spying on you. That's why I always get uneasy by the always online video games. Usually because I'd rather be able to play my games offline but also because you just know they are taking information.

I recently got myself a playstation and that thing records your every move. To the point I actually regret buying it on occasions. Not a great feeling over an expensive purchase. If it didn't record my every move I'd actually think it was a fun decision. Hell I was recently told by a friend it defaultly records your game and doesn't save it, so that you can press the share button and save the last few minutes of gameplay in case you do something exciting. All I could think is WHY IS IT RECORDING ALL THE TIME?

Especially on a playstation, those things are notorious for getting hacked.
  00:34:32  28 June 2017
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Alundaio
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06/28/2017 0:38:35
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Steam has saved gaming in some ways. Otherwise much worse alternatives would have been in it's place; alternatives that wouldn't be so indie-friendly or willing to advocate multi-platform. Just imagine what it would be like if instead of Steam everyone was using a more vicious version of EA's Origin (They are only lenient because they have to compete with Steam) or if Microsoft kept pushing their Games for Windows platform. We would be in literal hell.

Sure I hate certain things about Steam, like all the garbage on the store, but from a publisher/developer standpoint it makes Steam fair. Put a game on steam and you are on an equal competing field with others in selling your product.

As long as Gabe Newell owns more then 50% of Valve, I wouldn't worry too much about them snooping or selling your information.
 
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