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  23:32:27  29 July 2010
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Steelyglint
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On forum: 06/06/2009
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STEAM

Is there a way to use games like HL2 without having to have Steam involved in any way?

I've never found a use for Steam, other than having something get in the way of what I want to do.

Seems to me it is just a convenient way for Valve to put adverts on your screen, and be an annoying obstacle to accessing software that I have discs for, but cannot use without Steam.

I forgot my password - not surprising as I haven't used Steam at all in the last couple of years. And the process of recovering it involves Steam sending it to an email address I no longer have access to.

That's real brilliance shining through the genius there.

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  23:44:43  29 July 2010
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Kane4
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There are progs that crack steam files so you don't have to connect online. Just use Google.
  00:29:04  30 July 2010
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Steelyglint
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Well, I tried. I went through as much as I could stomach.

Seems it is all forum sites with people telling each other it is impossible to access HL2 without Steam.

Now, I bought HL2 because I wanted it. I didn't ask for or want Steam. So why must I put up with it?

Selling a functioning product and then including with it something that will keep it from being used sounds like some kind of huge confidence trick to me.

Do they have fraud laws in the US? As I understand it the 'Enron' fraudsters all got away with it because the evidence was in the last building to be demolished at the 9-11 'ground zero' - very convenient.

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  00:59:04  30 July 2010
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Steelhawk92
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Steam can be trusted, and belive me, I had the same mentality, but that changed when I realised how good Valve and Steam are.
  02:47:50  30 July 2010
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Steelyglint
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We'll see.

I'm currently in a yelling match with them.

I have proofs of purchase for all of the HL games, but they want me to ruin the paperwork that came with the games by writing some bloody 'Support Ticket Number' on them.

I have no intention of spoiling the documentation by writing on it, unless they're willing to replace that paperwork with clean copies afterwards.

Steam is an advertising channel for Valve. I never had a use for it and can not think of anything that would initiate such a use. It just gets in the way whenever I feel like a visit to the HL2 universe - and usually makes me wait.

Why?

Because it is downloading. What? The games played fine last time I used them. Why do I need 'updates'?

If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.

Why can't these computer companies understand that little bit of very plain truth?

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  05:02:06  30 July 2010
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SalmonGod
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Steam has lots of benefits.

It allows developers to keep track of statistics that are incredibly useful in game balance, especially for multiplayer games, among plenty of other useful information.

It's a social network that makes it really really easy to keep track of who among your friends is playing what and when and meet up with them in-game, even when you're not in the same game.

More and more games are saving your game preferences to the server so that you don't have to set up your controls, back up save games, etc every time you reinstall.

Instead of massive towers of cds that decay and get lost or broken, all you have to keep track of is a password and always have access to all of your games anywhere.

Being a digital service, it's really really easy for them to do sales events, which they do constantly. We don't see games (or even entire catalogs) selling for 25-75% off at least once a month at retailers.

Their advertising is really accessible without being very obstructive. At least 3/4 of the web is worse. I actually appreciate their advertising, as it's alerted me to plenty of neat indy games that I would have never found otherwise.

Which brings me to my next point. It's an amazing platform for indy developers and has enabled lots of games and developers to succeed when there never would have been a proper market for their material before. It also allows those same developers to sell their stuff for really cheap, because of the minimization of money-sucking middleman publishing costs. I love any opportunity to pay artists for their work without supporting giant business-oriented corporations that forbid innovation on grounds that it's financially unsafe and blackmail developers into putting out the same material over and over again.

Their technical support is rather lacking. I've had to deal with the password recovery thing myself. Steam as a requirement to get into your games can also be a nuisance sometimes. Overall, though, I think the benefits easily outweigh the negatives.
  05:12:36  30 July 2010
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x_Spartan_x
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On forum: 07/07/2009
 

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Steam SUX, trust me, its all @#$%, you want a game, go e-bay or something.

lots and lots of problems.

and steam is a money grab my balls sceam, pay for this, pay for this dlc, oh wait, pay for this dlc also.

@#$% any game corp that sells DLC's after the fact, of the original sale.

and steam is there tool to push this more.

@#$% them, this is Sparta!!


EDIT; they totally @#$%ed COD seiries, wich im never buying again, and i cant even sell CoD MW2
  05:23:22  30 July 2010
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Steelhawk92
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Uhh Spartan......Valve don't charge for DLC, the amount of shit they've released for L4D and L4D 2 is crazy, all for free. They sell there game cheap, all other games are on there because they have rights to sell them. They do not get full pricing rights nor decisions.

COD series did it themselves they MAKE valve sell DLC for money, because otherwise Steam won't get any cut from the shitty company that wants steam to sell it in the first place.

Steam games are updated constantly to further improve the engine. They even game us Alien Swarm. (Full game) + SDK + the ENTIRE source code and any DLC they make will be free.

Steam is the way forward. Nuff said, do some research man, you are blaming steam for things they have no control over and are ripping on them for something which isn't there fault.
  05:26:40  30 July 2010
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Steelhawk92
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ALSO. Extra note for COD. COD developers went through steam as an Antipiracy measure, Steam is THE best Anti piracy platform, it isn't unreasonable, or anything like that, you can then Acess your games ANYWHERE all you need is a internet connection, hell not even that unless you wanna download, hence the reason steam has offline mode.

Steam nor Valve Own or partake in COD series as you'd note, they merely host a platform for you to game from for that game.
  05:34:01  30 July 2010
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x_Spartan_x
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@ Jamie1992/Steelhawk. technically your right. but not everyone benefits in the public sector.

you see what they did to Cod, sure not all are like that.

BUT THEY WILL.

trust me, you will see.

there like drug dealers (heck probly are these days to have the moola for enterprise, but thats dif story). give them free dose in the begining, then charge them when hooked, i see your hooked.

in fact, steam takes us backwards, not forwards, as you will see like COD.

as for the free games, lol, il go play psone or some psp or some C64, the games are same, lol

i actaully tryed to install that moonwalkr game, its doesnt work, and as for the alien swarm, boring, diablo style, no wonder it was free.
fun only wen co-op'ed it.

and as for lfd seieries, you cant play offline co-op. (i do tho, threw console commands) thats a set up, to be steam independent.

basically, the charging off any type off packs, after the original vanilla item, is a crime in my books, even delibrate.
and steam just makes it worst, ith fancy pants deals.

also, the errors and install probs to get a game working is too much, if you get a error, you got to google search crap and fixes.

so how can that be, a future advancment???
 
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